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Doyers y Esleigher
05-26-2009, 09:26 AM
Just read a piece you wrote. Wanted to discuss it a bit. Anyone else can chime in too.

Keep the Super Bowl in America: The rumor that will not die is that the NFL is considering at some point playing the Super Bowl overseas. The Super Bowl is a uniquely American event. For the rest of the world, football is played with a black and white round ball. There is no rational reason for the Super Bowl to be played anywhere besides the US. Additionally, the Super Bowl should be played in inclement weather. The stuffed shirts corporate executive types may not want to sit in Green Bay in early February, but playing in the elements is the essence of football.

The only place in the world without an NFL team that should get a Super Bowl is Los Angeles, and we should get one the minute the stadium in Industry opens.

But inclement weather? Really? Do you know how many people that would just piss off? I'm sorry but this is a marketing disaster. You risk pissing off the guests and media, who look at the SB as a vacation. You also risk ruining your game, as snow games can be downright trench struggles which the average SB watcher doesn't care to see. Furthermore, the weather can decide a regular season game, but should have no bearing on the Super Bowl. What if you get a legendary QB matchup that can draw tons of money? You can't risk letting weather cancel that out.

Don't expand the season: The latest money grab from the NFL's front office is the idea of expanding the season to 18 games and eliminating two preseason games. Goodell says that the fans don't get thir money's worth for preseason games, which is true. Preseason games should be half-priced and not subject to blackouts. However, the preseason is important for teams to evaluate personnel and prepare for the regular season. The move to 18 games and two preseason games would only dilute the quality of the early season games.

Agreed. It dilutes the quality of late-season games too. And preseason games are too expensive, but most NFL stadiums are a high % of season ticket holders anyway so they don't have to drop the prices.

Maintain labor peace: Nobody wants a work stoppage, but right now the NFLPA and the NFL seem on a collision course for this to come to pass. The most important first step is for the small and large market owners to figure out a revenue sharing plan that works for them both. Then the must negotiate with the NFLPA in good faith.

Easier said than done. I understand why you'd include this but I think you're preaching to the choir. Everyone WANTS labor peace, but money is money and the more of it there is, the more things can get fucked up.

Simplify the rules: Every year the rulebook gets more and more complex, and increasingly the officials calls decide the outcome of games. There are too many penalties that can be called, and they are enforced inconsistently. Big penalties are huge momentum swings, and they need to be called consistently.

The new rules suck dick. Agreed.

Change the blackout rule: With the astronomical costs of purchasing tickets to an NFL game, it is ridiculous to assume that people aren't going just because it is on television. If the NFL isn't going to take it away entirely, they need to make it a gameday decision. They also need to remove the blackout restriction from those who purchase their NFL Sunday Ticket package. The fan who has bought "the ticket" has already paid over two hundred dollars to get access to the games.

Sorry but this is a pipe dream. The NFL blackout rule is working. Almost every NFL city is sold out on a weekly basis. Some teams are at 100% season ticket holder capacity and don't even need a public single game on-sale. The NFL needs rules like this to pressure the teams to properly market their product, otherwise the teams are getting a ton of free TV exposure and revenue without earning their keep. This rule should have forced Al Davis to hire a better marketing department.

While some of these suggestions are nice and fan-friendly, they just don't make a lot of business sense in my humble opinion.

BigPrimo
05-26-2009, 10:44 AM
Just read a piece you wrote. Wanted to discuss it a bit. Anyone else can chime in too.



The only place in the world without an NFL team that should get a Super Bowl is Los Angeles, and we should get one the minute the stadium in Industry opens.

But inclement weather? Really? Do you know how many people that would just piss off? I'm sorry but this is a marketing disaster. You risk pissing off the guests and media, who look at the SB as a vacation. You also risk ruining your game, as snow games can be downright trench struggles which the average SB watcher doesn't care to see. Furthermore, the weather can decide a regular season game, but should have no bearing on the Super Bowl. What if you get a legendary QB matchup that can draw tons of money? You can't risk letting weather cancel that out.


I dunno man a good game in the rainy mud would be awsome. I dont want to get into the politics of commercialsim in everything we do now but FOOTBALL IS FOOTBALL and the weather you get to playin is almost a coinflip and we are not baseball where we have to postpone games or plan around weather. I would love to see Football get back to FOotball. I would love to see a game in SB game in oakland(yes i know would never happen) with the diamond a sloppy mess, or a frozen game in GB. WE get absolute great games in the playoffs why does the superbowl need to be different especially when its all catered to non-fotball fans anyway. (i know for the money)

Doyers y Esleigher
05-26-2009, 11:16 AM
Not every weather game is great though. For every classic snow game, there are 3 boring 3-0, 6-0, and 9-3 games. These games are impossible to market and do not allow both teams to showcase their true skills. Imagine if the Colts and Giants went to the Super Bowl on a rain-soaked field and the "Manning bowl" became a punter battle. Who the hell wants to watch that?

or24
05-26-2009, 12:32 PM
Not every weather game is great though. For every classic snow game, there are 3 boring 3-0, 6-0, and 9-3 games. These games are impossible to market and do not allow both teams to showcase their true skills. Imagine if the Colts and Giants went to the Super Bowl on a rain-soaked field and the "Manning bowl" became a punter battle. Who the hell wants to watch that?
I dont mind seeing a grimy game like that every now and then, but in the superbowl? Hell naw.

Tió Nook Nook
05-26-2009, 03:32 PM
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trojan56
05-26-2009, 05:32 PM
I disagree on the SB played in inclement weather(assuming cold weather) . Its a marketing deal and they want as many fans to show up and have a good time with lots of outdoor activities. If it were in GB, Phily, Denver....and the temps around 25 it would lose its luster. Just two yrs ago Indy vs Chicago, it rained so thats about as worse as it will get. which is fine by me.

On the blackout rule: I dont think having a blackout date draws fans. look at Jax. They have covered the top corners of the upper deck and part of the end zones to avoid black outs cuz they cant get enough fan base in there. Fans will go to game, but if they did have a black out date do it the morning of game game day.

BigPrimo
05-26-2009, 09:18 PM
Not every weather game is great though. For every classic snow game, there are 3 boring 3-0, 6-0, and 9-3 games. These games are impossible to market and do not allow both teams to showcase their true skills. Imagine if the Colts and Giants went to the Super Bowl on a rain-soaked field and the "Manning bowl" became a punter battle. Who the hell wants to watch that?

yeah btus thats the great thing about sports, for the most part they are aspontanious and shit happens. Its when you start trying to wwe script write shit then the actual product itself becomes so weak and water down its ugly even tho it will sell more to casual fans.

If manning loses in OT without getting possesion so be it tuff tittie, dont go and try to change the ot rules so you can cater to manning and his fans. If the game happens to come out 3-0 or 6-0 then so be it.

Doyers y Esleigher
05-26-2009, 09:23 PM
yeah btus thats the great thing about sports, for the most part they are aspontanious and shit happens. Its when you start trying to wwe script write shit then the actual product itself becomes so weak and water down its ugly even tho it will sell more to casual fans.

If manning loses in OT without getting possesion so be it tuff tittie, dont go and try to change the ot rules so you can cater to manning and his fans. If the game happens to come out 3-0 or 6-0 then so be it.

Who's changing the rules? You can't change the rules of the weather, but you can avoid snow and rain heavy cities for the Super Bowl so both teams can best showcase their abilities in the biggest game of the year.

BigPrimo
05-27-2009, 12:09 AM
Who's changing the rules? You can't change the rules of the weather, but you can avoid snow and rain heavy cities for the Super Bowl so both teams can best showcase their abilities in the biggest game of the year.

exactly my point. Why avoid to try to have a certain outcome. LEt them play the game. I think every city should have a chance to host the super bowl. Thats alot of income for all these cities and only a hand full of team get to host it. Fuck that.

Doyers y Esleigher
05-27-2009, 09:16 AM
exactly my point. Why avoid to try to have a certain outcome. LEt them play the game. I think every city should have a chance to host the super bowl. Thats alot of income for all these cities and only a hand full of team get to host it. Fuck that.

First off, most cities don't have the capacity to handle the Super Bowl. Small and mid-size markets get crushed for a week and everything is crappy. In order for things to go smoothly, there's only a handful of cities that can host a Super Bowl. Otherwise it's traffic, overcrowded bars and people sleeping in their cars because hotels are overbooked. Oh, and since security, the media, and pretty much every traveling person involved with putting on a Super Bowl has to get around by shuttle, they can't deal with bumper to bumper traffic.

Second, the Super Bowl is supposed to be a vacation. No one wants to go on vacation in Minneapolis in January. Note how the major college bowl games are in Miami, New Orleans, Phoenix, and Los Angeles.

Third, it's unfair to the teams. Snow, rain, etc. can be an x-factor in the regular season, but once you have the two best teams, you have to let them show their skills. You're not deciding the result, you're leveling the playing field. If Peyton Manning is going to be stopped, let the defense prove they can stop him, and vice versa.

Fourth, it's impossible to market. You can't sell ads to a game when advertisers think people might turn it off in the 3rd. No one wants to watch a 3-0 borefest where dudes can't get a foothold and can't go anywhere.

Fifth, it's not like certain places aren't getting the Super Bowl, they just have to have a dome (Detroit, for example). Indy is getting one despite being a mid-market, and if it's anything like Jacksonville, it will be an absolute nightmare.

Sixth, what coach wants to train his players for the most important game of their life in a snowstorm? Athletes do their best work in hot weather anyway.

IMO, the Super Bowl should be on rotation: San Diego, CA, Los Angeles, CA, Miami, FL, and New Orleans, LA, with occasional rotation breaks when a team builds a brand new stadium.

GenRaider
05-27-2009, 10:32 PM
First off, most cities don't have the capacity to handle the Super Bowl. Small and mid-size markets get crushed for a week and everything is crappy. In order for things to go smoothly, there's only a handful of cities that can host a Super Bowl. Otherwise it's traffic, overcrowded bars and people sleeping in their cars because hotels are overbooked. Oh, and since security, the media, and pretty much every traveling person involved with putting on a Super Bowl has to get around by shuttle, they can't deal with bumper to bumper traffic.

Second, the Super Bowl is supposed to be a vacation. No one wants to go on vacation in Minneapolis in January. Note how the major college bowl games are in Miami, New Orleans, Phoenix, and Los Angeles.

Third, it's unfair to the teams. Snow, rain, etc. can be an x-factor in the regular season, but once you have the two best teams, you have to let them show their skills. You're not deciding the result, you're leveling the playing field. If Peyton Manning is going to be stopped, let the defense prove they can stop him, and vice versa.

Fourth, it's impossible to market. You can't sell ads to a game when advertisers think people might turn it off in the 3rd. No one wants to watch a 3-0 borefest where dudes can't get a foothold and can't go anywhere.

Fifth, it's not like certain places aren't getting the Super Bowl, they just have to have a dome (Detroit, for example). Indy is getting one despite being a mid-market, and if it's anything like Jacksonville, it will be an absolute nightmare.

Sixth, what coach wants to train his players for the most important game of their life in a snowstorm? Athletes do their best work in hot weather anyway.

IMO, the Super Bowl should be on rotation: San Diego, CA, Los Angeles, CA, Miami, FL, and New Orleans, LA, with occasional rotation breaks when a team builds a brand new stadium.

excellent post. also, the towns you mention as possible hosts, are excellent party towns.