Capt'n Kirk says D can be dominating.....

[Tooz72]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+West/Oakland/Features/2009/parr052709.htm

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says Mr.Submissive himself.

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Dude, I have no faith in Kirk Morrison.... Before he talks about how the D can be dominating he should address why he gets dominated every fucking running play and how he plans on fixing the angles he takes in pursuit.

[Tooz72]

Our Run D is trash...

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WOW - this one struck me as pretty funny....

PFW: Is there anything in particular you’re working on improving during OTAs?

Morrison: One thing you’re always improving is your situational play. We’re talking about red zone, goal line, third down, first and second down, four-minute defense vs. four-minute offense. I think that’s what you kind of focus on during the OTAs.

^^^^

Oh, by "situational" you mean virtually the entire fuckin' game dude?

[yayarea_raider]

Morrison says his leadership role will come? It's his fifth friggin year with the Raiders! I can't wait til TC when Joseph makes him look like a pussy, in terms of run defense and tackling anyways.

[Don]

lol Bump^^

116 tackle average, great. But what were the yards gained by the opposition on those tackles? exactly.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Kirk Morrison is the most overrated player by Raiders fans in the history of the Raiders. Seriously fuck this guy until he nuts up and shows something himself.

[Big O Dick]

Talk is cheap Kirk...prove yourself on the field.

[Big Game Geoff]

:orly:...

[TruR8r]

I have heard this shit before and like many others have mentioned Kirk Morrison is overrated. This defense will not be a dominating D at all.

[Sonny Cheeba]

Captain Kirk says the D can be dominating? Buck says the D can be middle of the pack.....tops.

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I can also get Beyonce pregnant.

[Miklo]

And Nathaniel is the next Yao Ming.

[cheapshotartist]

Captain Kirk says the D can be dominating? Buck says the D can be middle of the pack.....tops.

If we get lucky we may make it to the middle of the pack. :csa:

Talk is cheap Kirk...prove yourself on the field.

Word! I see Cable has everyone running off at the mouth. Talk is cheap make some tackles in the offensive back field not ten yards down field.
:csa:

Dude, I have no faith in Kirk Morrison.... Before he talks about how the D can be dominating he should address why he gets dominated every fucking running play and how he plans on fixing the angles he takes in pursuit.

True. Listening to Cable and now Morrison about how good this defense will be makes me wonder If they have been hitting the pipe. We have damn near the same stiffs on defense as last season and Cable says the problems can be fixed with better coaching. How about getting some better players!
:csa:

[Big O Dick]

I like this site cuz nobody here is riding the kool aid bus...that shit went bye bye a looooong time ago!

Back it up on field! Im sick of the dumb talk of how dominating our D is gonna be or in the past how Kerry Collins would throw 100 TDs, blah blah...Fuck that shit already. Im not sucked in by the hype and shit talk...especially Cable saying playoffs. HA! Prove it!!!

[Don]

I like this site cuz nobody here is riding the kool aid bus...that shit went bye bye a looooong time ago!

Back it up on field! Im sick of the dumb talk of how dominating our D is gonna be or in the past how Kerry Collins would throw 100 TDs, blah blah...Fuck that shit already. Im not sucked in by the hype and shit talk...especially Cable saying playoffs. HA! Prove it!!!

The funny thing is, I tailgate with his family on a regular. Mr. Morrison even agreed with me that Kirk would be more effective in the Will.

No matter how much you love your team or have personal connections to the players, you are playin yourself if you arent realistic about where theyre at. Now to say we have nothing to be optimistic about would be selling this squad a bit short, as I believe we have some solid pieces in place, but you aint about to hear the overt optimism that I was guilty of two years ago. :roc:

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I disagree with Mr. Morrison. I think Kirk would be more effective in the CFL.

[Don]

lol^^

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I disagree with Mr. Morrison. I think Kirk would be more effective in the CFL.

Lmfao

[el boracho]

Dominating??? WTF... Kirk try being average before you talk about dominating...shxt is ridiculous...

[Big O Dick]

Dominating like last year on the season opener?? HA!

[JRaider17]

Dominating? Like what happened to our run defense when .... the name escapes me...is he even in the NFL.....Kolby...Smith? Sound familiar?

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I remember when Kolby Smith was slashing the Raiders up in a 2007 game vs KC and I started a thread about Kirk Morrison being kind of a pussy on RFN. Kirk made a stop on a straight up the middle run on 4th and 1 that more or less won the Raiders the game and everyone acted like it was some huge egg in my face that Morrison finally tackled Kolby Smith after he'd already put up 100+ yards.

[TruR8r]

I remember when Kolby Smith was slashing the Raiders up in a 2007 game vs KC and I started a thread about Kirk Morrison being kind of a pussy on RFN. Kirk made a stop on a straight up the middle run on 4th and 1 that more or less won the Raiders the game and everyone acted like it was some huge egg in my face that Morrison finally tackled Kolby Smith after he'd already put up 100+ yards.

I remember that thread very well.:D

[Doyers y Esleigher]

There was SO MUCH whining in that thread. That was before everyone finally started calling Kirk and Thomas out for crappy play.

[yayarea_raider]

True. Listening to Cable and now Morrison about how good this defense will be makes me wonder If they have been hitting the pipe. We have damn near the same stiffs on defense as last season and Cable says the problems can be fixed with better coaching. How about getting some better players!
:csa:

Just like he was hittin it with Kwame.

[cheapshotartist]

I like this site cuz nobody here is riding the kool aid bus...that shit went bye bye a looooong time ago!

Back it up on field! Im sick of the dumb talk of how dominating our D is gonna be or in the past how Kerry Collins would throw 100 TDs, blah blah...Fuck that shit already. Im not sucked in by the hype and shit talk...especially Cable saying playoffs. HA! Prove it!!!

Word! That :shit: ain't gonna fly here. :csa:

The funny thing is, I tailgate with his family on a regular. Mr. Morrison even agreed with me that Kirk would be more effective in the Will.

No matter how much you love your team or have personal connections to the players, you are playin yourself if you arent realistic about where theyre at. Now to say we have nothing to be optimistic about would be selling this squad a bit short, as I believe we have some solid pieces in place, but you aint about to hear the overt optimism that I was guilty of two years ago. :roc:

I agree Don we have a few more players but not much else has changed. We still used our #1 pick on a project and that ain't going to cut it.
:csa:

Dominating??? WTF... Kirk try being average before you talk about dominating...shxt is ridiculous...

That's what I'm saying. :csa:

There was SO MUCH whining in that thread. That was before everyone finally started calling Kirk and Thomas out for crappy play.

Agreed both are fast but they can't tackle or get off of blocks. :csa:

Just like he was hittin it with Kwame.

Yeah I remember all that :shit: he was talking about Kwame only needing some good coaching and he did not want to play Henderson until he had no other choice.
:csa:

[Boom]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+West/Oakland/Features/2009/parr052709.htm

Offcoarse the defense can be dominating.. The real question is can they be consistant?

[BigPrimo]

our d can be dominating if and if when we START TACKLING PEOPLE!!! I SWEAR ITS THE STU CURSE!!! 100+ tackles after 20+ yard gains.

[Big O Dick]

our d can be dominating if and if when we START TACKLING PEOPLE!!! I SWEAR ITS THE STU CURSE!!! 100+ tackles after 20+ yard gains.

They have Schweigert Flu?? :huh:

[BigPrimo]

they have schweigert flu?? :huh:

the fucking stu flu!!!!

[Miklo]

Ssssstuuuuuuu fluuuuuuuuuuuu!

[VaRayder]

WOW - this one struck me as pretty funny....

PFW: Is there anything in particular you’re working on improving during OTAs?

Morrison: One thing you’re always improving is your situational play. We’re talking about red zone, goal line, third down, first and second down, four-minute defense vs. four-minute offense. I think that’s what you kind of focus on during the OTAs.

^^^^

Oh, by "situational" you mean virtually the entire fuckin' game dude?

Mine was the last question about dysfunction.... he danced around that answer

[silver & black]

Whatever. Show me on the field. I'll believe this POS defense can dominate when I see it. I'm tired of the ra, ra rhetoric... just do it!

[cheapshotartist]

^^Word! :csa:

[iceman4444]

It's comical that year after year the Raiders players talk about how great they are going to be. Morrison can't shed blocks, tackle or stop the run.

The Raiders have the worst 5 year stretch in NFL history and they are talking crap. It's just sad.

[cheapshotartist]

No :shit: Cable has been talking plenty :shit: like his job is safe or something. If his fat azz don't start winning he will be out the door just like his boy Kiffin. It's never Al's fault coach don't take it personal.
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[Poke]

Yawn. Prove him homey.

[yayarea_raider]

It's comical that year after year the Raiders players talk about how great they are going to be. Morrison can't shed blocks, tackle or stop the run.

The Raiders have the worst 5 year stretch in NFL history and they are talking crap. It's just sad.

I hope I get this CBS gig and am there to watch Joseph outplay Morrison in run defense. Brown may even be better, who knows. The fact that they decided to go with the guys they have AGAIN (Sands, Warren) at NT is very worrisome.

If Sands nosedives like last year and the year before, Raiders aren't going to be able to dosh!t on defense again.

[Tió Nook Nook]

I hope I get this CBS gig and am there to watch Joseph outplay Morrison in run defense. Brown may even be better, who knows. The fact that they decided to go with the guys they have AGAIN (Sands, Warren) at NT is very worrisome.

If Sands nosedives like last year and the year before, Raiders aren't going to be able to dosh!t on defense again.

dude has to make the team first, homie. chill on the frantz joseph kool-aid

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yea yay u need to chill on the Franz Joseph mancrush... He is a longshot to make the team.

Jerry Mac said he is clearly slower than the LB's we have on the roster.. Alston looks to be make a strong case for himself in OTA's for the SLB. Morrison and Howard are entrenched.

I don't see Joseph even making the team.

[yayarea_raider]

dude has to make the team first, homie. chill on the frantz joseph kool-aid

yea yay u need to chill on the Franz Joseph mancrush... He is a longshot to make the team.

Jerry Mac said he is clearly slower than the LB's we have on the roster.. Alston looks to be make a strong case for himself in OTA's for the SLB. Morrison and Howard are entrenched.

I don't see Joseph even making the team.

First of all there is no mancrush. Second of all, he IS a longshot to make the team.

All I'm saying is he has a good chance to perform better in run defense in team drills. We all know Morrison has bad instincts and is a poor tackler. We'll see what happens.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

First of all there is no mancrush. Second of all, he IS a longshot to make the team.

All I'm saying is he has a good chance to perform better in run defense in team drills. We all know Morrison has bad instincts and is a poor tackler. We'll see what happens.

STOP

Morrison sucks but Frantz Joseph is an undrafted rookie from fucking FIU. I don't give a shit how he tackled at FIU. Morrison could tackle and wrangle a fridge when he played at San Diego State, another school who never plays anyone.

All this Frantz Joseph crap comes from people getting all teary-eyed about his story. I'm going to take the day off tomorrow and go take care of my mom, that way you'll write a column about why I'll be starting for the Raiders next year.

[yayarea_raider]

STOP

Morrison sucks but Frantz Joseph is an undrafted rookie from fucking FIU. I don't give a shit how he tackled at FIU. Morrison could tackle and wrangle a fridge when he played at San Diego State, another school who never plays anyone.

All this Frantz Joseph crap comes from people getting all teary-eyed about his story. I'm going to take the day off tomorrow and go take care of my mom, that way you'll write a column about why I'll be starting for the Raiders next year.

:clap: lmfao

[rogue_raider]

There are obviously no kool-aid drinkers around here, so I've now decided to become the token kool-aid drinker of this forum. Purely from a contrarian/devil's advocate stand-point--I'm gonna raise hell. Logic, facts, stats mean nothing to me. Please don't try to screw up a perfectly good wet dream by stating facts--I won't listen to them.

As far as Kirk Morrison goes:

1) He should be Pro-bowl LB. The only reason he isn't is because the Raiders haven't fared so well in the last 6 seasons (mostly due to media bias--if the media hadn't treated us so badly we would have won a lot more games). (See Nnamdi Asomugha until this year when people couldn't ignore him anymore).

2) KM is a die-hard Raider fan, which automatically makes him a shoe-in for the HOF. If he doesn't get in, they're all a bunch of haters.

3) He is THE prototype linebacker. The only reason he has any problems at all is: a) the defensive line is crap. b) he gets no safety support. c) the offense can't convert 3rd downs so he's on the field too long and gets winded. d) because even the greatest of linebackers needs a breather once in a while--Dude, just needs some gatorade. Leave him the hell alone. He'll play when he wants to play.

4) If it werent' for Rob Ryan/Lane Kiffin, Kirk would be a household name right now. I'm tired of all the haters giving Kirk a hard time.

[JRaider17]

Frantz had a good story, and right now thats all he has going for him. We are just used to our LBs getting run over and when we see a youtube clip of a guy tackling some people think they are the savior.

[Tió Nook Nook]

There are obviously no kool-aid drinkers around here, so I've now decided to become the token kool-aid drinker of this forum. Purely from a contrarian/devil's advocate stand-point--I'm gonna raise hell. Logic, facts, stats mean nothing to me. Please don't try to screw up a perfectly good wet dream by stating facts--I won't listen to them.

As far as Kirk Morrison goes:

1) He should be Pro-bowl LB. The only reason he isn't is because the Raiders haven't fared so well in the last 6 seasons (mostly due to media bias--if the media hadn't treated us so badly we would have won a lot more games). (See Nnamdi Asomugha until this year when people couldn't ignore him anymore).

2) KM is a die-hard Raider fan, which automatically makes him a shoe-in for the HOF. If he doesn't get in, they're all a bunch of haters.

3) He is THE prototype linebacker. The only reason he has any problems at all is: a) the defensive line is crap. b) he gets no safety support. c) the offense can't convert 3rd downs so he's on the field too long and gets winded. d) because even the greatest of linebackers needs a breather once in a while--Dude, just needs some gatorade. Leave him the hell alone. He'll play when he wants to play.

4) If it werent' for Rob Ryan/Lane Kiffin, Kirk would be a household name right now. I'm tired of all the haters giving Kirk a hard time.

:roflmao :roflmao :roflmao
Especially @ #2

[Doyers y Esleigher]

There are obviously no kool-aid drinkers around here, so I've now decided to become the token kool-aid drinker of this forum. Purely from a contrarian/devil's advocate stand-point--I'm gonna raise hell. Logic, facts, stats mean nothing to me. Please don't try to screw up a perfectly good wet dream by stating facts--I won't listen to them.

As far as Kirk Morrison goes:

1) He should be Pro-bowl LB. The only reason he isn't is because the Raiders haven't fared so well in the last 6 seasons (mostly due to media bias--if the media hadn't treated us so badly we would have won a lot more games). (See Nnamdi Asomugha until this year when people couldn't ignore him anymore).

2) KM is a die-hard Raider fan, which automatically makes him a shoe-in for the HOF. If he doesn't get in, they're all a bunch of haters.

3) He is THE prototype linebacker. The only reason he has any problems at all is: a) the defensive line is crap. b) he gets no safety support. c) the offense can't convert 3rd downs so he's on the field too long and gets winded. d) because even the greatest of linebackers needs a breather once in a while--Dude, just needs some gatorade. Leave him the hell alone. He'll play when he wants to play.

4) If it werent' for Rob Ryan/Lane Kiffin, Kirk would be a household name right now. I'm tired of all the haters giving Kirk a hard time.

So then what was the point of this post?

[Tió Nook Nook]

So then what was the point of this post?

To be drenched in sarcasm, my friend.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Well it was definitely a proper assessment of the opinions of idiot-laden sites like Raiderfans and Raidersideline. So, props!

[rogue_raider]

Well it was definitely a proper assessment of the opinions of idiot-laden sites like Raiderfans and Raidersideline. So, props!

TY, ty. That was the point. I'm sure I can come up with another excuse or 30, but you've heard them all already.

[Big O Dick]

There are obviously no kool-aid drinkers around here, so I've now decided to become the token kool-aid drinker of this forum. Purely from a contrarian/devil's advocate stand-point--I'm gonna raise hell. Logic, facts, stats mean nothing to me. Please don't try to screw up a perfectly good wet dream by stating facts--I won't listen to them.

As far as Kirk Morrison goes:

1) He should be Pro-bowl LB. The only reason he isn't is because the Raiders haven't fared so well in the last 6 seasons (mostly due to media bias--if the media hadn't treated us so badly we would have won a lot more games). (See Nnamdi Asomugha until this year when people couldn't ignore him anymore).

2) KM is a die-hard Raider fan, which automatically makes him a shoe-in for the HOF. If he doesn't get in, they're all a bunch of haters.

3) He is THE prototype linebacker. The only reason he has any problems at all is: a) the defensive line is crap. b) he gets no safety support. c) the offense can't convert 3rd downs so he's on the field too long and gets winded. d) because even the greatest of linebackers needs a breather once in a while--Dude, just needs some gatorade. Leave him the hell alone. He'll play when he wants to play.

4) If it werent' for Rob Ryan/Lane Kiffin, Kirk would be a household name right now. I'm tired of all the haters giving Kirk a hard time.

Welcome Rogue! This is hilarious...especially #2.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

TY, ty. That was the point. I'm sure I can come up with another excuse or 30, but you've heard them all already.

His dad goes to all the games, which makes him nervous.

[JRaider17]

Morrison would tackle better if the D-Line actually did their job....

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Who cares about his tackling numbers? Kirk Morrison signed at least 2,000 autographs for little kids. He leads the league in autographs on youth size jerseys!!! GREAT RAIDER!

[silver & black]

^^^ He also leads the league in tackels made after a 20 yard gain.

[cheapshotartist]

We are just used to our LBs getting run over and when we see a youtube clip of a guy tackling some people think they are the savior.

Our safety's get run over also. :csa:

^^^ He also leads the league in tackels made after a 20 yard gain.

Word! :csa:

[yayarea_raider]

One of the most overrated players I've heard from the Raider Nation. Him and Schweigart. "it's not STU's fault..."

Glad that's over

[JRaider17]

Our safety's get run over also. :csa:



Word! :csa:

I guess you could say our whole defense gets run over... our best tackler is Aso.

[Raidermaiden]

I am worried about our D, we have a new D coach not sure how he will fair but hope he is better at teaching these guys how to tackle then Ryan was (I mean how embarrassing is it that even Ryan's wife asked him to teach the guys how to tackle). I'm hoping our offense does a better job this year at time of possession that way our big guys on D can rest up, I think that was one problem they were having was being on the field all the time they are big guys they get tired. And Captain Kirk better learn how to tackle out in space.

I believe in Trevor Scott he will have a good year, just a feeling. :)

[CrizpyNutz]

^^ IMO, we did not do nearly enough in the offseason on defense. Although I agree we needed to get a few more weapons for Russell, I would have been much happier with some help on defense at that #7 pick. There were far better prospects than one DHB at that point and IMO, better options that could have helped the team more. We could have still gotten Murphy and gone after a vet for more help. We've heard that we are a run-first team, so IMO, with Murphy and a vet plus Miller and the incumbents, Russell would have something to work with.

The D on the other hand, hasn't stopped the run in years. Expecting Kelly and Sands to magically get better is a gamble I wouldn't put money on. Expecting our DE's to suddenly play a better all-around game, is another gamble I'm not interested in. I like our secondary other than having no FS and 3 potential SS. But meh, that's me. Our LB's are largely 1-dimensional, but hey, maybe they are suffering with a crappy DLine in front of them....good thing we fixed that problem....er....well....maybe not.....

Rant over. Bottom line, I have a feeling that next offseason, DL is going to be our "major" need to fill.

[Don]

^^ IMO, we did not do nearly enough in the offseason on defense. Although I agree we needed to get a few more weapons for Russell, I would have been much happier with some help on defense at that #7 pick. There were far better prospects than one DHB at that point and IMO, better options that could have helped the team more. We could have still gotten Murphy and gone after a vet for more help. We've heard that we are a run-first team, so IMO, with Murphy and a vet plus Miller and the incumbents, Russell would have something to work with.

The D on the other hand, hasn't stopped the run in years. Expecting Kelly and Sands to magically get better is a gamble I wouldn't put money on. Expecting our DE's to suddenly play a better all-around game, is another gamble I'm not interested in. I like our secondary other than having no FS and 3 potential SS. But meh, that's me. Our LB's are largely 1-dimensional, but hey, maybe they are suffering with a crappy DLine in front of them....good thing we fixed that problem....er....well....maybe not.....

Rant over. Bottom line, I have a feeling that next offseason, DL is going to be our "major" need to fill.

Great post, Crispy. Obviously the personell dep. (Al Davis) is banking on Kelly being a year removed from surgery to magically become this three technique stud that he has never been, and for Gerard Warren's constantly torn pectoral muscle to suddenly become plate armor etc...

I do think that Mitchell can be an effective FS though, he played both positions equally in college and has the speed/strength combo that Huff never had...

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Great post, Crispy. Obviously the personell dep. (Al Davis) is banking on Kelly being a year removed from surgery to magically become this three technique stud that he has never been, and for Gerard Warren's constantly torn pectoral muscle to suddenly become plate armor etc...

I do think that Mitchell can be an effective FS though, he played both positions equally in college and has the speed/strength combo that Huff never had...

Mitchell is way behind the learning curve

[Don]

Mitchell is way behind the learning curve

I'm talking about him in the sense of his career, not starting day 1, but yeah, these kids and their sore ass hammies.

[yayarea_raider]

Great post, Crispy. Obviously the personell dep. (Al Davis) is banking on Kelly being a year removed from surgery to magically become this three technique stud that he has never been, and for Gerard Warren's constantly torn pectoral muscle to suddenly become plate armor etc...

I do think that Mitchell can be an effective FS though, he played both positions equally in college and has the speed/strength combo that Huff never had...

Branch is what we've been hearing will make the starting lineup, and it sounds like they like him at strong safety. Mitchell played both free and strong at Ohio and definately is stronger than Huff and a solid tackler (at least in college).

He's also a 4.3 speedster. He needs to get that hamstring right (like Heyward-Bey) for TC and hopefully he doesn't get injured again otherwise Eugene wil make the most of the reps and I remember reading somewhere the staff ikes him and says he's like a leader out there.

Both Raiders 1st and 2nd rounders have a lot of work to do.

[cheapshotartist]

Both Raiders 1st and 2nd rounders have a lot of work to do.

The Raider way is killing us, you don't use your first two picks on projects when you have been losing in double digits for six straight seasons.
:csa:

[CrizpyNutz]

Great post, Crispy. Obviously the personell dep. (Al Davis) is banking on Kelly being a year removed from surgery to magically become this three technique stud that he has never been, and for Gerard Warren's constantly torn pectoral muscle to suddenly become plate armor etc...

I do think that Mitchell can be an effective FS though, he played both positions equally in college and has the speed/strength combo that Huff never had...

I think his logic is folly, but who am I. Kelly is a good player, but it will take a whole lot of magic dust to turn him into a monster IMO. Warren is not bad off the bench. Dude can dominate a few games a year and is decent in others. The other half a season he's either hurt or invisible. Sands better get his big body into gear cause if he sucks up the joint again, it will just spiral down the DL from there. IMO, he's the pivot man that can really make Al look half senile instead of completely delusional. We have so much money taken up in partial players on our DLine it ain't funny.

TK is a good player that banked major $$$ and sadly is probably our only legit NFL quality starter on the DL. I know the market at that position, yada yada, but that still doesn't mean ya gotta sign him. Sands is supposed to be the big body that stops the run and eats up blockers...instead he only eats up samiches, smacks our Pro Bowl punter and lays down for RB's. Let's hope a supposed "trimmed down" Sands is ready to earn his damned paycheck - Turd. Warren should be a solid backup and that's what he is....maybe overpaid, but not breaking the bank. Burgess is a one-dimensional pass rusher and prolly on the way out. Ditto Ellis but on the way in. Scott I like, but again, not exactly a run stopper, let's see what happens this year with the added bulk he's supposedly carrying. Richardson is decent at everything and great at nothing. A good tackler who will occaisionally push the pocket.

As a whole, our DLine is uninspiring outside of Scott. Yet we draft a project WR @ #7. As usual, I'm just a fan and I'm not an expert so I'll just hope they made the right move.

As for Mitchell, I dunno, I hope he can make the critics eat their words. As for Branch, I like him....I dunno if he's ready to start, but I hope so.