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TAPE

07-01-2009, 06:27 PM

The question becomes how much the Giants are willing to give up, and how many impact power bats are actually on the market right now. I feel like nothing less than a top 10 quality hitter will make a huge impact on that lineup. They're one of the absolute worst in baseball, and I feel like they'd have to gut the pitching staff to pry a hitter like that. Holliday seems like the most likely option and Billy Beane will rob them blind.

Yes, but someone like Josh Hamilton could be worked out IMO. And they might or might not have to gut the pitching staff.

And they have a good crop of pitching in their farm. Giants hitting issues trickle down to the farm as they seem to cultivate nothing but good pitchers.

So the farm can be a chip as well.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-01-2009, 07:40 PM

Yes, but someone like Josh Hamilton could be worked out IMO. And they might or might not have to gut the pitching staff.

You're going to have to justify this. Texas is 1.5 games back of the Angels and they've lived this long without Hamilton in the lineup, why would they move him to San Francisco? They aren't looking for prospects, they are looking to win a division.

And they have a good crop of pitching in their farm. Giants hitting issues trickle down to the farm as they seem to cultivate nothing but good pitchers.

Look at it from the Giants' perspective...

- You have the best team in all of baseball on top of you and getting their best player back.
- You don't have a bad offense, you have one of the worst
- You have 2 pitchers that are a lock to pitch in MLB tucked away in your minor league system, one of whom is one of the best prospects in the country (Madison Bumgarner)

Why would you mortgage your future for one bat? Especially when one bat isn't going to completely turn around a team that's last or close to it in pretty much every major offensive category. You're moving another future stud for an outside shot at a division title? Sounds silly to me.

TAPE

07-01-2009, 08:16 PM

You're going to have to justify this. Texas is 1.5 games back of the Angels and they've lived this long without Hamilton in the lineup, why would they move him to San Francisco? They aren't looking for prospects, they are looking to win a division.

The emergence of Hank Blalock is the reason why I say that Hamilton can be on the table.

Rangers are making pitching a clear cut priority for any trade with the All star break approaching. Even more so with Harrison banged up.

Who do they have to give up? Do they move Blalock than? I doubt they move Kinsler... but how about it?

How about Blalock to the Giants? He could be had for much less.. But he is the reason why the Rangers have done so well without Hamilton in the lineup to this point.

The reason why Hamilton is intriguing is because they need starting pitching... Who can cater to them better than the Giants??

Look at it from the Giants' perspective...

- You have the best team in all of baseball on top of you and getting their best player back.
- You don't have a bad offense, you have one of the worst
- You have 2 pitchers that are a lock to pitch in MLB tucked away in your minor league system, one of whom is one of the best prospects in the country (Madison Bumgarner)

Why would you mortgage your future for one bat? Especially when one bat isn't going to completely turn around a team that's last or close to it in pretty much every major offensive category. You're moving another future stud for an outside shot at a division title? Sounds silly to me.

It sounds silly but when and where does Bumgarner get brought up into the rotation.??

Again, Giants have consistently shown they can churn out pitching. If anybody can dump off some pitching, ESPECIALLY an unproven prospect and not feel an impact from it, it would be the Giants.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-02-2009, 01:06 AM

The emergence of Hank Blalock is the reason why I say that Hamilton can be on the table.

Blalock is .245/.290/.565 on the season. Hamilton is a much better player. .290 is an unacceptable OBP for an MLB player.

Rangers are making pitching a clear cut priority for any trade with the All star break approaching. Even more so with Harrison banged up.

Josh Hamilton was one of the best players in the league last season. What Giants pitcher has that sort of value? And if they trade Cain or Lincecum, aren't they gutting themselves?

Who do they have to give up? Do they move Blalock than? I doubt they move Kinsler... but how about it?

Blalock is not going to be the difference between the Giants winning and losing the division, so he's not worth a highly touted prospect or a valued pitcher.

How about Blalock to the Giants? He could be had for much less.. But he is the reason why the Rangers have done so well without Hamilton in the lineup to this point.

No he's not. Ian Kinsler is having an incredible year and Nelson Cruz has hit more home runs and has a higher on base percentage.

The reason why Hamilton is intriguing is because they need starting pitching... Who can cater to them better than the Giants??

Can you name one pitcher the Giants would actually be willing to part with that would match Josh Hamilton's value?

It sounds silly but when and where does Bumgarner get brought up into the rotation.??

Again, Giants have consistently shown they can churn out pitching. If anybody can dump off some pitching, ESPECIALLY an unproven prospect and not feel an impact from it, it would be the Giants.

No they can't. They have good development but it's not like they're churning out Cain and Lincecum's all the time. Randy Johnson and Barry Zito are still in this rotation and Jonathan Sanchez may never live up to his hype. Bumgarner solves a lot of future problems for them, and he's the only Giants minor leaguer that can match the value of a Hamilton, Dunn, or even a Jermaine Dye (if the White Sox lose some of the ground they gained back).

TAPE

07-02-2009, 03:40 AM

Doyers y Esleigher

07-02-2009, 11:19 AM

Josh Hamilton (last year) and Ian Kinsler (this year) had/have OBP's of .370 and .339 respectively..

not what I can exceptional either.. considering Blalocks OBP is .290 (exactly what Hamiltons was right before he was injured).. it has been on the upswing.. Considering he has went from a .245 OBP in April up to .301 in mid June. back to .290 its not hard to imagine he will be around the .320 mark with some more repetition.

.373 is an outstanding OBP, especially when combined with his .530 SLG, 32 home runs and 130 RBI. That's an OPS of .901 which is outstanding. Hamilton put up comparable numbers in 90 games the year before (.292/.368/.554/.922 with 19 HR) so it's safe to say he'll get back to those when he's healthy. I'm not worried about Hamilton having a .290 OBP when he only played 35 games before getting hurt, Blalock's played double the games.

This argument is silly, Josh Hamilton is a much better player than Hank Blalock.

Oh and .320 is a terrible OBP.

EDIT: to add, the Giants with Blalock are still not as good as the Dodgers with Manny Ramirez.

TAPE

07-02-2009, 11:23 AM

.373 is an outstanding OBP, especially when combined with his .530 SLG, 32 home runs and 130 RBI. That's an OPS of .901 which is outstanding. Hamilton put up comparable numbers in 90 games the year before (.292/.368/.554/.922 with 19 HR) so it's safe to say he'll get back to those when he's healthy. I'm not worried about Hamilton having a .290 OBP when he only played 35 games before getting hurt, Blalock's played double the games.

This argument is silly, Josh Hamilton is a much better player than Hank Blalock.

Oh and .320 is a terrible OBP.

.339 isnt that great either dawg.

But listen, you are really missing what I am saying. Maybe Hamilton was a poor example. The jist of what I am saying is.... Giants have deep pitching and can afford to give up some without being affected, for a big bat.

I can understand how you want this to be justified to the very last atom. Because Giants are one big bat away from being on par with the Dodgers......

Giants will swing something, Im pretty sure of it. If not... Dodgers should run away with the West

and dude, I would never suggest Blalock is a better player than Hamilton. BUT, Hamilton is banged up often.

TAPE

07-02-2009, 11:30 AM

Hill, you cannot assume that Manny is going to come back in @ 37 , after a long layoff, and coming off of steroids. (Which im sure he will be back ON when he is activated) to come in and be in midseason form.

I think a more realistic outlook would be Manny starting to heat up 30 games from now and priming the Dodgers for the playoff stretch.

I still expect Giants to gain some significant ground until then. Dont sleep on SF they can go pitch for pitch right with the Dodgers.

Dodgers have the better Bullpen, Giants have the better starters..

Doyers y Esleigher

07-02-2009, 12:45 PM

.339 isnt that great either dawg.

I'll take it over .320 and ESPECIALLY .290. Kinsler is having a damn good year with the glove too.

But listen, you are really missing what I am saying. Maybe Hamilton was a poor example. The jist of what I am saying is.... Giants have deep pitching and can afford to give up some without being affected, for a big bat.

I can understand how you want this to be justified to the very last atom. Because Giants are one big bat away from being on par with the Dodgers......

How? The Dodgers put up better offensive numbers without Manny and are getting him back tomorrow. Even if he's not in mid-season form, he will be by late July. The Giants have the worst offense in Major League Baseball. One bat won't change that.

And you've still yet to name a single arm the Giants can afford to deal for a big bat. Who's this expendable stud pitcher?

The Giants front 4 breaks down like this: Lincecum, Cain, Zito, Johnson. Do you expect Randy Johnson to last the rest of the season without a major drop off? Same goes for Zito (neither has pitched great to begin with). Lincecum and Cain are untouchable in trades and will not be moved with the Giants this close to the division. This leaves Bumgarner, who the Giants will need because Johnson is probably done after this year. They can't afford to buy an ace because they paid Barry Zito the farm.

So who does SF move?

Keep in mind, Texas is a launch pad and San Francisco is one of the best pitchers parks in MLB.

Giants will swing something, Im pretty sure of it. If not... Dodgers should run away with the West

and dude, I would never suggest Blalock is a better player than Hamilton. BUT, Hamilton is banged up often.

You're telling me about durability? Hank Blalock hasn't played more than 65 games since 2006! He hasn't hit over 20 homers since 2005 and would be moving to a pitchers park. Please tell me how he makes the Giants better than the Dodgers.

IMO, the most realistic option for the Giants is trying to push mid-level prospects + Tim Alderson to the A's for Matt Holliday, but Holliday is a right handed power-hitter and AT&T is a kiss of death for them.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-04-2009, 01:36 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmflMGq9DIwqz2oAym2VxBQ5nYcB?slug=ge-fullcount070309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Adam Laroche, Aubrey Huff, Nick Johnson, Scott Hairston

Not exactly Josh Hamilton...

TAPE

07-05-2009, 12:59 PM

If they get 2 of those... Giants can make some noise

Doyers y Esleigher

07-05-2009, 01:25 PM

Three of those guys play first...

CrizpyNutz

07-10-2009, 10:46 AM

Three of those guys play first...

Huff plays 1B, 3B and RF if needed. In fact, he played more games at 3B than 1B last year for the Orioles. Huff could play RF I'm sure in SF.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=huffau01

Maybe an Adam Dunn could be had....though your defense in RF would be atrocious with Dunn out there, one would think he'd have to play 1B. Jermaine Dye or Matt Holiday may be options for RF if they could get a lefty bat like Johnson or Huff.

Not saying any of them make the Giants the favorites, but it couldn't hurt unless they give up too much.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-10-2009, 11:23 AM

Huff plays 1B, 3B and RF if needed. In fact, he played more games at 3B than 1B last year for the Orioles. Huff could play RF I'm sure in SF.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=huffau01

Maybe an Adam Dunn could be had....though your defense in RF would be atrocious with Dunn out there, one would think he'd have to play 1B. Jermaine Dye or Matt Holiday may be options for RF if they could get a lefty bat like Johnson or Huff.

Not saying any of them make the Giants the favorites, but it couldn't hurt unless they give up too much.

Pablo Sandoval plays third base for the Giants and you don't want a part-time outfielder playing RF at that park. Fred Lewis doesn't have the defensive skill to make the switch. Huff, by the numbers, is an awful defensive outfielder. Trust me, if Huff goes to SF, it would be primarily to play first.

Chicago is still in the race so I don't see why they'd move Dye. Holliday is SF's best bet at this point.

I wonder if this Halladay thing will drag out. I'd love the Dodgers to get involved.

CrizpyNutz

07-10-2009, 02:48 PM

Pablo Sandoval plays third base for the Giants and you don't want a part-time outfielder playing RF at that park. Fred Lewis doesn't have the defensive skill to make the switch. Huff, by the numbers, is an awful defensive outfielder. Trust me, if Huff goes to SF, it would be primarily to play first.

Chicago is still in the race so I don't see why they'd move Dye. Holliday is SF's best bet at this point.

I wonder if this Halladay thing will drag out. I'd love the Dodgers to get involved.

Oh he won't play 3B in SF...in fact, Pablo will be and no one else. I was just saying that technically Huff can play more than just 1B....albeit, none of them all that well.

I mentioned Dye only because of this:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/trades/onblock

Chicago general manager Kenny Williams is as shrewd a gambler as there is. He never will be a seller, but he will re-tool on the fly. As long as the Sox remain within striking distance of Detroit in the AL Central, they'll be playing to win now. The White Sox hold a club option on Dye for 2010. If Carlos Quentin returns effectively from his foot injury, Dye could remain an intriguing trade chip.

Potential suitors: San Francisco, St. Louis, New York Mets

I think you can bank on the Halladay thing dragging out. They want like 4 solid pieces in return. It could be awhile before they get an offer they want....unless a team decides they just have to have him.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-10-2009, 03:57 PM

Oh he won't play 3B in SF...in fact, Pablo will be and no one else. I was just saying that technically Huff can play more than just 1B....albeit, none of them all that well.

The point is moot because of what team we're talking about. Bump's original point was the Giants could be better if they got two of the four players, my point is three of them would occupy the same spot (and Hairston was just traded to Oakland so that only leaves the three 1B's mentioned.

I mentioned Dye only because of this:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/trades/onblock

Dye has been on the block for a couple of years now. I just can't realistically see the White Sox creating a hole in their outfield when they have a legitimate chance at their division.

I think you can bank on the Halladay thing dragging out. They want like 4 solid pieces in return. It could be awhile before they get an offer they want....unless a team decides they just have to have him.

They want two guys who can play at the Major League level right now, and two A-AA level studs that can bolster their system. The Dodgers have the A-AA level quality to move, but I'm not sure what kind of Major League ready guys Toronto is looking for.

raiderdude69

07-10-2009, 04:20 PM

Heading up to Safeco right after work to catch the Mariners-Rangers.. Went to the game Monday night when Washburn threw the one hitter vs Baltimore.. Brilliant performance, dude's been pitching his ass off most of the year and finally got some run support.. Fucking Brandon Morrow tonight in a big time series vs the first place Rangers; hoping he gets his shit together now that they've FINALLY determined he's a starter..

Now, I'm a born and raised Dodger fan, but I've been up here five years and been in a 16 game package with some dudes from work since 2005, so I love just getting out to the ball park (esp Safeco, beautiful park, right off the water in downtown Seattle, can't beat the view), and it is ALOT more interesting when the hometown team is doing well... Last year was hellacious- we were at the game where they lost game #100 of 101 losses.. MAYBE 10K at the ballpark that night.. Yikes..

Anyway, I'll be keeping an eye on the Dodger score from Milwaukee and throwing down some Pyramid Hefeweizen's and eyeballing the nice lookin' chicks in downtown Seattle (nothing like SoCal chicks, but Seattle does have it's fair share of great looking broads, esp in 80 degree weather) before heading into the ballpark..

Big Game Geoff

07-10-2009, 10:44 PM

I love it when Hoffman blows a save to us. We showed some serious power today. Kemp's GS in the 10th was killer. Broxton still doesn't get it, but I'll take the dub...

DED

07-10-2009, 10:51 PM

Jonathan Sanchez pitches a No Hitter...out of everyone on that staff.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-11-2009, 01:29 AM

Jonathan Sanchez pitches a No Hitter...out of everyone on that staff.

Hahahaha

The day after Lincecum gives a no hitter up deep into the game too.

Big O Dick

07-14-2009, 08:55 AM

That HR derby was kinda lame....except for Fielder bombing a 503 footer.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-14-2009, 12:39 PM

As much as I want the NL to win the ASG, and the Dodgers to go on and win the World Series with home field, if that doesn't happen I have one scenario to ask for.

Shane Victorino makes an error that costs the NL the game, then the Phillies lose the World Series without home field and blame the loss on Charlie Manuel and Philly fans for putting this dingleberry in the All Star Game to begin with.

EDIT: okay, I'm still saying this, but replace Victorino with Ryan Howard, who Manuel gave an undeserving selection, then sent up to pinch hit with two better contact hitters on the bench and the tying run 90 feet away.

SONIC

07-23-2009, 10:22 AM

Angels continue to find ways to win despite injuries throughout our roster. Our team can succeed under adversity, now let's see if they can get over the hump by taking the extra step in October.

GO ANGELS :cheers::dj::funana:

TAPE

07-23-2009, 10:35 AM

SONIC

07-23-2009, 10:42 AM

same small ball team, same results...

If we stay with the status quo and use our small ball tactics like we have in the past, the results will be the same, getting an exit in the Divisional Series at the hands of teams like the Red Sox. It's like bringing a knife into a gunfight. We need a different strategy for our offense, going for Home Runs more. We can't afford injuries through the Postseason, especially to big guns like Guerrero & Hunter and quality pitchers like Lackey.

Big O Dick

07-23-2009, 10:51 AM

Whos the Angels?

Big Game Geoff

07-23-2009, 11:21 AM

Manny's slam was off the hook last night! My Mom called me from Dodger Stadium and that place was electric!

GO BLUE!..

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 11:30 AM

I was there last night. That whole sequence of events was pretty ridiculous.

07-23-2009, 11:44 AM

Whos the Angels?

Some Disney owned team who try to take a piece of the Los Angeles pie. :pink:

I recently heard they're courting Danny Glover as their bench coach.

SONIC

07-23-2009, 12:00 PM

Some Disney owned team who try to take a piece of the Los Angeles pie. :pink:

I recently heard they're courting Danny Glover as their bench coach.

Disney no longer owns them.

Arte Moreno bought the team a few years ago.

Sonny Cheeba

07-23-2009, 12:06 PM

Some Disney owned team who try to take a piece of the Los Angeles pie. :pink:

I recently heard they're courting Danny Glover as their bench coach.
LOL. Yep Angels in the Outfield was a classic, I heard it's MrHill's favourite movie of all time. :stir:

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 12:07 PM

Whos the Angels?

http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/07/baseball-fans-loyal-forbeslife-cx_mw_0807sport3_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=15000

The #1 team on this list.

07-23-2009, 12:09 PM

Disney no longer owns them.

Arte Moreno bought the team a few years ago.

Was some of their material to riske? I would rate them PG-13 as well.. who wants a bunch of retarded children thinking it's okay to wave monkies around their head when they need a miracle?

SONIC

07-23-2009, 12:11 PM

http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/07/baseball-fans-loyal-forbeslife-cx_mw_0807sport3_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=15000

The #1 team on this list.

nEvery team in baseball has their fairweather fans who are only "loyal" when their team is winning. In fact, there are very few stadiums that sell out nowadays in baseball, the bad economy & very expensive ticket prices are two of the reasons why but as for me. I'll live and die with my Angels and don't give a fuck what anyone says to me.

SONIC

07-23-2009, 12:16 PM

Was some of their material to riske? I would rate them PG-13 as well.. who wants a bunch of retarded children thinking it's okay to wave monkies around their head when they need a miracle?

Whatever gives us an identity, Red Sox fans have Sweet Caroline as their anthem, Yankee fans have their Roll Call from the Bleacher Creatures that sit in the Right Centerfield bleachers, Rays fans have their cowbells, and A's fans have a shit load of empty seats in Oakland Alameda County Coliseum lol.

07-23-2009, 12:18 PM

Whatever gives us an identity, Red Sox fans have Sweet Caroline as their anthem, Yankee fans have their Roll Call from the Bleacher Creatures that sit in the Right Centerfield bleachers, Rays fans have their cowbells, and A's fans have a shit load of empty seats in Oakland Alameda County Coliseum lol.

An identity? Do you really think people swinging monkies around their necks has given the Angels an identity?

Here... pop this blue pill, wait another 30 minutes, and pop the yellow one. Don't lay down for 30 minutes prior to taking either pill as it may cause dementia.

The monkies are a joke... the only people who don't seem to see it are Angel fans.

Come back when you have as storied of a history as the A's. We are going through tough times now but we aren't a flash in the pan championship team.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 12:22 PM

nEvery team in baseball has their fairweather fans who are only "loyal" when their team is winning. In fact, there are very few stadiums that sell out nowadays in baseball, the bad economy & very expensive ticket prices are two of the reasons why but as for me. I'll live and die with my Angels and don't give a fuck what anyone says to me.

Your first sentence is true. The difference is some teams still have fans that come out and enjoy the game no matter how the team is doing, and the Angels have never had those fans.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ANA/attend.shtml

Look at the numbers in 2002, when they fielded an excellent team and eventually won a World Series. 2.3 million people? In SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA?

Look at the crazy numbers jump in 2003, after the team won a World Series.

Angels fans are the Chargers fans of baseball.

SONIC

07-23-2009, 12:22 PM

An identity? Do you really think people swinging monkies around their necks has given the Angels an identity?

Here... pop this blue pill, wait another 30 minutes, and pop the yellow one. Don't lay down for 30 minutes prior to taking either pill as it may cause dementia.

The monkies are a joke... the only people who don't seem to see it are Angel fans.

Come back when you have as storied of a history as the A's. We are going through tough times now but we aren't a flash in the pan championship team.

As long as the A's have Lew Wolff as their owner, the A's will never return to what they once were. Matt Holliday will just be another addition to the long list of good players your A's keep trading away.

07-23-2009, 12:25 PM

As long as the A's have Lew Wolff as their owner, the A's will never return to what they once were. Matt Holliday will just be another addition to the long list of good players your A's keep trading away.

The Angels won't be winning a championship in the near future, book it. Yeah, the Holliday move has been a bust and Lew Wolff is a fuck bag.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 12:25 PM

whatever gives us an identity, red sox fans have sweet caroline as their anthem, yankee fans have their roll call from the bleacher creatures that sit in the right centerfield bleachers, rays fans have their cowbells, and a's fans have a shit load of empty seats in oakland alameda county coliseum lol.

Well

Fucking

Played!

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 12:28 PM

Okay, that said, Sonic the things you mentioned are very organic. The Yankees didn't go to the bleachers one day and say "hey, you guys should call out every starter in the top of the 1st," they just did it. "Sweet Caroline" wasn't supposed to be a theme song, they just played it over the PA and the crowd (a mostly white, Irish, drunk crowd aka Neil Diamond's demographic) just took off with it.

The Rally Monkey was started by the team. It's a marketing ploy. There's nothing really organic or identifiable about that.

SONIC

07-23-2009, 12:29 PM

Your first sentence is true. The difference is some teams still have fans that come out and enjoy the game no matter how the team is doing, and the Angels have never had those fans.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ANA/attend.shtml

Look at the numbers in 2002, when they fielded an excellent team and eventually won a World Series. 2.3 million people? In SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA?

Look at the crazy numbers jump in 2003, after the team won a World Series.

Angels fans are the Chargers fans of baseball.

Teams that have been bad and developed a World Championship team one year will always have an explosion of fans that show up for their home games, it's always been like that. FOR EXAMPLE The Rays NEVER had anyone show up for their games before 2008 and their A.L. Championship. The Florida Marlins have not been as bad as the Pirates or Royals or A's and Landshark Stadium (the new name for their stadium they share with the Miami Dolphins) is a ghost town during their games.

07-23-2009, 12:31 PM

SONIC

07-23-2009, 12:36 PM

The Rally Monkey was started by the team. It's a marketing ploy. There's nothing really organic or identifiable about that.

Sure The Rally Monkey is a marketing ploy, but it is also a call to arms for the team to get a rally going when they are behind in home games & it encourages the fans to use whatever they have left in them to get behind their team during a potential rally for hopefully a come from behind victory.

Isn't the Think Blue credo also created by their team? I'm not saying it to bash it.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 12:37 PM

Teams that have been bad and developed a World Championship team one year will always have an explosion of fans that show up for their home games, it's always been like that. FOR EXAMPLE The Rays NEVER had anyone show up for their games before 2008 and their A.L. Championship. The Florida Marlins have not been as bad as the Pirates or Royals or A's and Landshark Stadium (the new name for their stadium they share with the Miami Dolphins) is a ghost town during their games.

The Marlins don't even draw fans when they're good. The 2003 World Series was pretty much all Yankees fans.

Not that the Rays bandwagon isn't annoying, but the Rays didn't have 45 years to build a fan base before going to the World Series.

Oh and the Dodgers were 71-91 in 2005 and drew 3.6 million people, and have either lead or been in the top 5 in the NL in attendance despite one playoff series win in 21 years. So no, not all fan bases are like that.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 12:41 PM

Sure The Rally Monkey is a marketing ploy, but it is also a call to arms for the team to get a rally going when they are behind in home games & it encourages the fans to use whatever they have left in them to get behind their team during a potential rally for hopefully a come from behind victory.

Isn't the Think Blue credo also created by their team? I'm not saying it to bash it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/ThinkBlue.jpg

Been there for a long time.

I don't see why a catch phrase is relevant though.

SONIC

07-23-2009, 12:42 PM

Whoa, whoa, the A's have not been as bad as the Pirates or Royals. I don't remember any of these teams making the AL Championship a few years ago.

I'm not talking about a few years ago when comparing your team with the Pirates & Royals. I'm talking about THIS season. The A's have the 3rd lowest win percentage in the AL.

07-23-2009, 12:50 PM

07-23-2009, 12:51 PM

I'm not talking about a few years ago when comparing your team with the Pirates & Royals. I'm talking about THIS season. The A's have the 3rd lowest win percentage in the AL.

Yeah, this year has been an abomination but if our young starting pitching continues to develop and we develop at least 2 or 3 decent hitters, we will be back by 2011. Sucks to admit it, but it's true. Our team has a pathetic offense and every offseason move we made to try and shore it up has failed (i.e. Giambi, Nomar, Holliday, Cabrera)

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 01:24 PM

I'm not trying to give the A's an ultimate excuse re: the lack of attendance but shouldn't the population density of an area be considered when looking at how many fans a team draws? If you look at the attendance of the Dodgers, wouldn't you need to consider that they are the only team in one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the country?

When defined as a Combined Statistical Area, the Bay Area is the sixth largest in the country, including over 7.2 million people.[3] The Bay Area hosts many cities, towns, military bases, airports, and associated regional, state, and national parks, connected by a massive network of roads, highways, railroads, bridges, tunnels and commuter rail. The combined urban area of San Francisco and San Jose is the 46th largest urban area in the world.

That's not even counting Sac Valley.

That has to play a hand into why the L.A.'s and the Chicago's, New York's and Philadelphia's draw well and the team's outside of HUGE population dense areas do not draw as well. The more sources you have the ability to draw from will equate into more asses in seats.

Philly has a population of about 1.5 million people so take them out of the argument.

People forget that LA, Chicago and NY have GIANT transplant rates. They have high population numbers but the population that actually grows up in the area and roots for these teams is smaller than you think.

Yes, you do expect good numbers, but there are other large markets not pulling their weight so it's not just a population thing.

I say this understanding the rich history and solid fan bases of each team but when you are stacking the A's attendance against the Dodgers attendance, or the Yankees attendance, I think there are more factors than just hardcore baseball fans. The East Bay isn't a super dense area and we split the fan base with the Giants. The A's do not have the largest base of fans but those who go regularly are great nonetheless.

The Yankees and Dodgers both "split" a fan base with their metro area as well (OC and the Inland Empire, both an hour + away from the city, get factored into LA's metro area, while areas outside the direct "Bay Area" do not factor into SF Bay's population numbers). Even sadder is the fact that the A's are MORE SUCCESSFUL than the Giants on the field yet cannot draw a fly in the stands.

So no, the population excuse fails miserably here.

TAPE

07-23-2009, 01:35 PM

Well

Fucking

Played!

No shit, I thought for a second u logged in under Sonics account, lol...

Sonic +1

07-23-2009, 02:10 PM

That's not even counting Sac Valley.

Philly has a population of about 1.5 million people so take them out of the argument.

People forget that LA, Chicago and NY have GIANT transplant rates. They have high population numbers but the population that actually grows up in the area and roots for these teams is smaller than you think.

Yes, you do expect good numbers, but there are other large markets not pulling their weight so it's not just a population thing.

The Yankees and Dodgers both "split" a fan base with their metro area as well (OC and the Inland Empire, both an hour + away from the city, get factored into LA's metro area, while areas outside the direct "Bay Area" do not factor into SF Bay's population numbers). Even sadder is the fact that the A's are MORE SUCCESSFUL than the Giants on the field yet cannot draw a fly in the stands.

So no, the population excuse fails miserably here.

All good points. Fair enough. There really is no argument to the A's drawing poorly and I did neglect the San Jose area. The cycling out of talent plus the below standard stadium really hinder our ability to consistently draw fans to the games. The idea to tarp off the upper deck was a horrible idea as was the stadium proposal for Fremont.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 04:10 PM

All good points. Fair enough. There really is no argument to the A's drawing poorly and I did neglect the San Jose area. The cycling out of talent plus the below standard stadium really hinder our ability to consistently draw fans to the games. The idea to tarp off the upper deck was a horrible idea as was the stadium proposal for Fremont.

The first time I went to an A's game was well before the Fremont proposal or the tarping of the top deck and there was still no one there. The team had no choice but to tarp off the top because of how horrible a giant empty deck looked on television. It sucks that it made the games less affordable (do they still do $2 Wed.?), but come on man.

When I went to a game in early May of 2003, Miguel Tejada was already being booed out of the spot for an early-season struggle. This isn't Andruw Jones we're talking about, this is a guy who'd won an MVP just months earlier. As much as I knock Giants fans, they'd never boo an MVP over a bad start.

And yes, they are an inept organization outside of Beane and the scouting department, but the fans weren't packing the house (outside of the playoffs) when the team was good either. And while that's a big house to pack, there's no excuse for drawing less than 35,000 people for a September game with playoff implications.

Maybe I'm just cold and jaded, but I wish fans would see the business side of sports a bit more sometimes. Yes, everyone would love the A's to stay right in Oakland, but if Oakland isn't bringing in the money they need I don't blame them for going elsewhere. Same reason I didn't blame the Raiders for leaving LA when they did.

TAPE

07-23-2009, 04:19 PM

Sure The Rally Monkey is a marketing ploy, but it is also a call to arms

Stopped reading right here..

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 04:27 PM

Last time I went to an Angel game, the Rally Monkey was set up like this.

*play scene from old scary movie where some creature (Jaws, Jurassic Park raptor, etc.) sneaks up on someone*
*add in the opening drum beat from awful nu metal song "Down With The Sickness"*
*creature sneaks up on person, except creature is the rally monkey*
*awful nu metal song kicks in, monkey jumps up and down, suburban white people go crazy*

Some call to arms.

07-23-2009, 04:38 PM

The first time I went to an A's game was well before the Fremont proposal or the tarping of the top deck and there was still no one there. The team had no choice but to tarp off the top because of how horrible a giant empty deck looked on television. It sucks that it made the games less affordable (do they still do $2 Wed.?), but come on man.

Yeah, it did look horrible to see the upper deck all but empty. But the tarping made tickets more expensive. I remember getting a GREAT seat behind homeplate, maybe 15 rows up, if that, for about $25/ticket around '02/03. Now they have doubled in price and that theme plays out anywhere you sit. They still have the cheap seat days on Wed still but there are less seats and the ones there are, are horrible. The last two times I have gotten them, I have sat in the very back row back behind the foul pole and the seats were encased by a concrete wedge that made you have to manuever to see some spots on the field.

When I went to a game in early May of 2003, Miguel Tejada was already being booed out of the spot for an early-season struggle. This isn't Andruw Jones we're talking about, this is a guy who'd won an MVP just months earlier. As much as I knock Giants fans, they'd never boo an MVP over a bad start.

Can't comment here. I went to plenty of games in that era and do not recall Miggy getting booed. Are you sure you weren't sitting next to a few jackasses? Every stadium has pockets of them. Booing should only be reserved for players that are not trying hard i.e. Randy Moss and Manny. Booing a player for struggling is embarassing for the rest of the fans that get labeled.

And yes, they are an inept organization outside of Beane and the scouting department, but the fans weren't packing the house (outside of the playoffs) when the team was good either. And while that's a big house to pack, there's no excuse for drawing less than 35,000 people for a September game with playoff implications.

Yeah, attendance issues have transcended performance. I can't blame the A's for wanting to leave and I am not convinced that Oakland has done much to keep them either. Politics in the East Bay are no favorable to sports franchises. I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors moved back to San Fran, the Raiders to LA, and the A's to Las Vegas in the next 10 years. It's crap.

Maybe I'm just cold and jaded, but I wish fans would see the business side of sports a bit more sometimes. Yes, everyone would love the A's to stay right in Oakland, but if Oakland isn't bringing in the money they need I don't blame them for going elsewhere. Same reason I didn't blame the Raiders for leaving LA when they did.

Of course every owner is in it for profit but Wolff and Hoffmann are rich out the WAZOO and most fans don't care about anything but winning. A lot of A's fans are getting restless with all the bigger name players that we have been trading just to wait for some of the prospects we get in return to mature and then start the process over again.

The A's have built a good young pitching staff. The rotation and pen looks strong and should be a strength for years to come. But we lack the ability to either scout or produce good hitters in the recent past.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-23-2009, 05:39 PM

Yeah, it did look horrible to see the upper deck all but empty. But the tarping made tickets more expensive. I remember getting a GREAT seat behind homeplate, maybe 15 rows up, if that, for about $25/ticket around '02/03. Now they have doubled in price and that theme plays out anywhere you sit. They still have the cheap seat days on Wed still but there are less seats and the ones there are, are horrible. The last two times I have gotten them, I have sat in the very back row back behind the foul pole and the seats were encased by a concrete wedge that made you have to manuever to see some spots on the field.

They should not have tarped off the top without offering some affordable tickets to fans. That does suck.

That said, no amount of ticket discounting will get fans in the door right now, so they may see it as smart biz not to take a loss to get 2,000 more people to the park.

Can't comment here. I went to plenty of games in that era and do not recall Miggy getting booed. Are you sure you weren't sitting next to a few jackasses?

In 2002, he was treated like the MVP year he was having, but I remember 2003 and the boos, and the general group of A's fans around me hating on him. I blamed Wolff for that, no smart owner should come out at the very beginning of a season and say "we're not re-signing our MVP in November."

Every stadium has pockets of them. Booing should only be reserved for players that are not trying hard i.e. Randy Moss and Manny. Booing a player for struggling is embarassing for the rest of the fans that get labeled.

At least when Moss was tanking it, you could tell because his numbers went down. Look at Manny's numbers for July of 08 when he was traded. The story that he doesn't try hard is overblown. You don't have the freaky numbers he has without working your ass off as a hitter.

Miggy was told, publicly, "you're playing for a contract and it won't be from us," in April of 2003. I felt he deserved a free pass for pressing that year.

Yeah, attendance issues have transcended performance. I can't blame the A's for wanting to leave and I am not convinced that Oakland has done much to keep them either. Politics in the East Bay are no favorable to sports franchises. I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors moved back to San Fran, the Raiders to LA, and the A's to Las Vegas in the next 10 years. It's crap.

The Warriors are in the best position of the three. Warrior fans have shown they will show up so much as the team plays competitive, watchable basketball. That's not too much for fans to ask of a team. I feel like the Raiders and A's have to do so much more to get people in the door.

Of course every owner is in it for profit but Wolff and Hoffmann are rich out the WAZOO and most fans don't care about anything but winning. A lot of A's fans are getting restless with all the bigger name players that we have been trading just to wait for some of the prospects we get in return to mature and then start the process over again.

The A's have built a good young pitching staff. The rotation and pen looks strong and should be a strength for years to come. But we lack the ability to either scout or produce good hitters in the recent past.

I have no idea what the A's should do. They obviously aren't getting the Fremont stadium any time soon, so there's no new revenue coming. They don't make enough money to maintain a higher payroll even when the team is in 1st and going to the playoffs. The league has adopted Moneyball and is playing it with more money, so Beane has to get by with superior scouting.

TruR8r

07-24-2009, 07:52 AM

An identity? Do you really think people swinging monkies around their necks has given the Angels an identity?

Here... pop this blue pill, wait another 30 minutes, and pop the yellow one. Don't lay down for 30 minutes prior to taking either pill as it may cause dementia.

The monkies are a joke... the only people who don't seem to see it are Angel fans.

Come back when you have as storied of a history as the A's. We are going through tough times now but we aren't a flash in the pan championship team.
I agree that the whole rally monkey thing is retarded BUT the marketing strategy behind it has made this team lots of cash.
7 yrs later after it was introduced it's still a hot seller at the stadium.

07-24-2009, 08:55 AM

I agree that the whole rally monkey thing is retarded BUT the marketing strategy behind it has made this team lots of cash.
7 yrs later after it was introduced it's still a hot seller at the stadium.

It is pure retard if a person becomes a fan of the Angels because of the use of a rally monkey. I don't think the monkey has given the team an identity but people are aware that they swing stuffed animals around their heads to try and spark a comeback. Sure, it's great marketing and it sells in the stadium. If I ever saw a rally monkey swinging from people's necks in an away game, I'd be both surprised and disgusted.

07-24-2009, 09:17 AM

They should not have tarped off the top without offering some affordable tickets to fans. That does suck.

That said, no amount of ticket discounting will get fans in the door right now, so they may see it as smart biz not to take a loss to get 2,000 more people to the park.

You can still get to the ball park for $12-$15 a ticket so I don't want to paint this picture that is unaffordable for fans to pay outrageous ticket prices. I'd even venture to say they are cheaper than the average MLB ticket. As far as I understand, ticket prices have steepened for all of baseball since 2002. That was more of a minor rant but I still go to just as many games then as I do now.

I don't totally agree with no amount of ticket pricing will get fans in the door. The A's have had a handful of promotions this year that stipulated certain seating areas will be discounted by $1 for every base hit in a specific game. I have been to one of those games and the stands were definitely filled more than usual and it was not against a prime opponent. But even when you discount tickets, you have to realize the nmoney you will be making back in parking and concessions so it is generally more beneficial to have more butts in seats, even if you have to discount the prices.

In 2002, he was treated like the MVP year he was having, but I remember 2003 and the boos, and the general group of A's fans around me hating on him. I blamed Wolff for that, no smart owner should come out at the very beginning of a season and say "we're not re-signing our MVP in November."

I totally agree with you. That really drove his trade value down and had to hit him psychologically. It was also bad moral for the team. I remember being pretty angry about the team coming out and saying they would not be signing him. What's the point of tipping your hand that early? All that money we spent on Chavey could have been spent on Tejada.

At least when Moss was tanking it, you could tell because his numbers went down. Look at Manny's numbers for July of 08 when he was traded. The story that he doesn't try hard is overblown. You don't have the freaky numbers he has without working your ass off as a hitter.

Oh Manny tries! To clarify, I was speaking of his last few months in Boston.

Miggy was told, publicly, "you're playing for a contract and it won't be from us," in April of 2003. I felt he deserved a free pass for pressing that year.

Agreed.

The Warriors are in the best position of the three. Warrior fans have shown they will show up so much as the team plays competitive, watchable basketball. That's not too much for fans to ask of a team. I feel like the Raiders and A's have to do so much more to get people in the door.

Agreed. I went a bit over the top to illustrate how poor the political backing of our sports franchises is. There is no way any city in America will generate approval for a new baseball stadium in this economy so the A's have very few options. San Jose? Probably not. Fremont? Bad idea from the start. Vegas? Highly doubtful. Who knows what will happen.

The league has adopted Moneyball and is playing it with more money, so Beane has to get by with superior scouting.

And people want to bean Billy for the A's struggles. The rest of the league has adapted and adopted.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-24-2009, 10:35 AM

Aaaaand the day after all this A's talk, they trade Matt Holliday to St. Louis.

TruR8r

07-24-2009, 10:36 AM

The A's are a mess.

07-24-2009, 11:59 AM

Aaaaand the day after all this A's talk, they trade Matt Holliday to St. Louis.

I am not a HUGE guru to the point where I can label a trade good or not but Brett Wallace is suppose to be a big time hitting prospect at a corner infield position and he's a local guy. I hope he can develop into a middle of the line up hitter.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-24-2009, 02:21 PM

Time will tell really. Beane got a pretty damn nice return.

07-24-2009, 02:29 PM

Time will tell really. Beane got a pretty damn nice return.

Yeah, you never know with these trades. Wallace can be the next Daric Barton. It's hard to gauge the success of a trade in baseball. Prospects are hard enough for scouting teams to gauge, let alone fans.

TruR8r

07-28-2009, 07:50 AM

You know this post might get me fired from my gig with the Halos but their GM is smoking some good shit. How the fuck do you reject a propose trade for Halladay when all they want is Saunders, Wood and a minor leaguer by the name of Peter Buorjos and Erick fucken Aybar? Rumor has it that he doesn't want to trade an up and coming star(his words) in Aybar? Are you fucken kidding me Erick Aybar? Come on Tony get your head out of your ass and help this fucken sorry ass postseason team do some damage in the post season with a great pitcher like Roy. Can't you see that I want a Dodger/Angel WS you POS. :D

Erick Aybar? Are you fuken kidding me?

Doyers y Esleigher

07-29-2009, 12:03 PM

I want nothing to do with a Dodgers/Angels WS. Give us the big market vs big market matchup the country wants to see: Boston or NY.

TruR8r

07-29-2009, 12:05 PM

I want nothing to do with a Dodgers/Angels WS. Give us the big market vs big market matchup the country wants to see: Boston or NY.

I get free tix that's why Hill. :D But facing a Red Sox or Yankee WS team would be sweet.

07-29-2009, 12:12 PM

Yankees v. Dodgers would be NUTS! Even I'd be excited to see that. This would be similar to Celtics v. Lakers. Anyone with a sports pulse would be at the edge of their seat.

Doyers y Esleigher

07-29-2009, 12:38 PM

The Red Sox series comes with the added Manny drama, and the Yankees series just sounds insane. Angels fans can't match either fan base and it would make for shitty TV and a somewhat non-compelling series outside of SoCal. The Angels/Giants series was horribly rated for similar reasons.

Imagine Manny coming to bat with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the 9th in Fenway with the Dodgers down 2 runs.

el boracho

07-29-2009, 08:54 PM

whats up with Johnnie Brox? dude lost 15mph on his fastball? should we be worried???

Doyers y Esleigher

07-29-2009, 09:19 PM

The gun was messed up tonight haha his fastball looked fine.

TruR8r

07-30-2009, 10:09 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AuCIoKGGz5N7c4WYVtJ_7KgRvLYF?slug=ap-ortiz-ramirez-druglist&prov=ap&type=lgns

Does it surprise anyone?

DED

07-30-2009, 10:18 AM

^^^Saw that, not surprised at all....

07-30-2009, 10:25 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AuCIoKGGz5N7c4WYVtJ_7KgRvLYF?slug=ap-ortiz-ramirez-druglist&prov=ap&type=lgns

Does it surprise anyone?

A little bit... Ortiz was always a mountain but then again, as the article mentions, he went from part time player on the Twins to all world slugger on the Sox.

DED

07-30-2009, 10:34 AM

Never played more than 120 games until '03......makes me wonder about Nomar too.....played all season 02'-'03, then body broke down.....injuries bigtime.

07-30-2009, 10:38 AM

Never played more than 120 games until '03......makes me wonder about Nomar too.....played all season 02'-'03, then body broke down.....injuries bigtime.

I thought Nomar's body broke down because of a degenerative calf issue?

DED

07-30-2009, 10:51 AM

I thought Nomar's body broke down because of a degenerative calf issue?

I know the Calf was a big part, groin also.....who knows though.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/195/slideshow_19596/display_image.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/195/slideshow_19595/display_image.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/195/slideshow_19597/display_image.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/195/slideshow_19598/display_image.jpg

Big Game Geoff

07-30-2009, 10:54 AM

Broxton better not blow anymore saves this year. Shit's getting old...

DED

07-30-2009, 10:59 AM

Dude needs to hit up the Iron again.....or Primo.

TruR8r

07-30-2009, 11:05 AM

Oh yea Nomar was on them.

Big Game Geoff

07-30-2009, 11:18 AM

Nomar on roids? Say it ain't so.

Fuck, MLB's a joke...

Doyers y Esleigher

07-30-2009, 03:47 PM

Nomar was on roids for sure.

MLB isn't a joke because of steroids. What does that make the NFL? A clown show?

Sonny Cheeba

07-30-2009, 05:05 PM

Doyers y Esleigher

07-30-2009, 05:22 PM

^^ Well why is everything swept under the rug in the NFL? Is there too much money at stake? Would the naive fanbases be crushed when they found out Johnny Quarterback is a steroid junkie?

I don't doubt for one second it goes on in the NFL, but why are there literally 1/80th the amount of cases reported?

If the NFL did one mass anonymous test as MLB did in 2003, believe me, there wouldn't be 1/80th the cases. You're comparing a league that is uncovering steroid users from the past to a league that's only suspending current players that they catch. The amount of brand new cases in each league is about the same on a yearly basis, and MLB's testing is tougher than the NFL.

If you're looking for a "clean" sport, there's always cricket.

Sonny Cheeba

07-30-2009, 05:35 PM

I dunno man, some of those cricket matches last for like 200 wickets (whatever the fuck that means)

DED

07-30-2009, 05:41 PM

“I’ve just been told that the report is true,” Ortiz said in a statement after contacting the union. “Based on the way I lived my life I’m surprised to learn I tested positive.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-ortiz-ramirez-druglist&prov=ap&type=lgns

Big Game Geoff

07-30-2009, 06:36 PM

Nomar was on roids for sure.

MLB isn't a joke because of steroids. What does that make the NFL? A clown show?

I knew you would get all butt hurt over that post, lmao...

SONIC

08-02-2009, 02:37 PM

Bobby Abreu Making Case For AL MVP Honors

MINNEAPOLIS -- Bobby Abreu, Most Valuable Player candidate.

Entering Sunday's series finale against the Twins, the Angels' free-agent bargain of the decade is found all over the American League offensive leaderboard.

He is tied for sixth in batting average at .320 and sixth in RBIs with 73. He is third in on-base percentage at .415. He is first in hitting with runners in scoring position at .429. He is tied for fifth in walks with 61.

His impact runs even deeper internally. The Angels, feeling the Abreu effect through his actions and his words, have advanced from ninth in the American League in runs scored (4.72) to first in the Majors (5.66).

The AL's best team with their 62-40 record, the Angels have gone from seventh in batting average in 2008 (.268) to first in the Majors (.289). They have gone from 11th in on-base percentage (.330) in the AL to second (.353, behind the Yankees at .358). They have advanced from ninth in slugging (.413) to third (.449) in the AL.

Abreu has stolen 22 bases in 27 attempts, gone first to third like the young thoroughbreds, hit eight home runs and played solid defense in right field with Vladimir Guerrero unavailable.

If these aren't the credentials of an MVP candidate, somebody isn't paying attention.

Abreu has had a lot of help, of course, but there's no denying his profound influence on this team.

"Bobby's been huge," Chone Figgins said. "You can learn a lot about hitting just by watching him. And if you want some details, he'll give you what you need to know."

Abreu takes this, as with everything in his life, in smooth stride. He loves his new team, its aggressive style, its collection of athletes, the freedom that manager Mike Scioscia not only gives his players but demands that they take with relish.

"Mike only gets upset if you don't try to take the extra base," Abreu said, grinning. "I really like this team, everything about it. We have a great chemistry here."

Abreu has heard how Figgins, Torii Hunter, Erick Aybar and pretty much everyone else in the cast have attributed much of their success, and the team's, to his style and approach, on and off the field.

"I feel good to see Aybar, Maicer [Izturis], [Howard] Kendrick getting better," Abreu said. "They've got such good talent. They're starting to learn how to use it. You can see the progress they're having in being more patient, having good at-bats.

"Everybody feels the same here and works hard. Freedom -- that's the word. The way I share with my teammates, how they are [responding], that comes from the freedom we get from the manager. They're special guys who really enjoy the game.

"As a player, it's all you can ask for, what we have here."

The Angels are not expected to try to re-sign Abreu until after the season, but they are fully aware of the impact he has had and how he has upgraded his value at age 35.

"Bobby has been everything we could have wanted," Scioscia said. "He's performed at a consistently high level all season."

Like the fine Argentine reds he'll occasionally sample, Abreu is aging gracefully, with a full-bodied excellence.

MVP candidate? Absolutely.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090802&content_id=6200872&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana

TAPE

08-02-2009, 04:38 PM

lol, who cares about Bob Abreu

Doyers y Esleigher

08-03-2009, 11:06 AM

Bobby Abreu Making Case For AL MVP Honors

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090802&content_id=6200872&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana

Mark Teixeria - .283/.380/.548 26 HR 77 RBI 141 OPS+ compared to 127 for Abreu

In other words GTFO with this MVP talk.

el boracho

08-03-2009, 11:29 AM

lol, who cares about Bob Abreu

yup yup fxck the angels....hah...

GenRaider

08-03-2009, 11:31 AM

I concur with previous post about Bobby A. for MVP. Hell no. There are other cats more worthy.

Lil Joker

08-07-2009, 01:54 PM

Kendry Morales FTW
:fiesta:

Lil Joker

08-07-2009, 01:57 PM

Lil Joker

08-07-2009, 02:01 PM

...per ESPN

HBD

08-08-2009, 04:25 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Jason-Giambi-unceremoniously-released-slammed-?urn=mlb,181566

Doyers y Esleigher

08-08-2009, 02:02 PM

All three of the A's big offseason signings are already gone. Wow.

TAPE

08-08-2009, 02:06 PM

lol at the A's pretty much telling Giambi that he just isn't as good as he was when he was on roids.

Lil Joker

08-08-2009, 02:12 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4383523

Doyers y Esleigher

08-15-2009, 10:34 PM

The Dodgers have been ratshit since the All Star Break.

TAPE

08-15-2009, 11:34 PM

The Dodgers have been ratshit since the All Star Break.

As a Met fan, I can relate. Except this season, they have sucked all season. Which is a refreshing change from past seasons.

chitown

08-16-2009, 09:33 AM

Shane Victorino what a crybaby:rolleyes:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/08/13/cubs.victorino.ap/index.html

el boracho

08-21-2009, 11:28 AM

The Dodgers have been ratshit since the All Star Break.

sam shxt every year...hot start and smell like shxt after....Hopefully the Padilla pickup will help us out.

Doyers y Esleigher

08-25-2009, 03:30 PM

This series is so crazy important... fuck.

el boracho

08-26-2009, 12:52 AM

This series is so crazy important... fuck.

i just dont understand it....just about every fxcking year it all goes to shxt after the break...

Lil Joker

08-26-2009, 12:53 AM

Angels are going on a skid...dropping 5 of 6....not good...could it be 1995 again?? :suicide:

TruR8r

08-26-2009, 07:04 AM

Fucken Dodgers get you fucken heads out of your asses.

Doyers y Esleigher

08-26-2009, 08:08 PM

Last night was rough but at least they handled biz tonight. Padilla tomorrow... yikes!

Doyers y Esleigher

09-02-2009, 11:10 AM

Penny gave Giants fans exactly what they wanted to hear Tuesday when he met with the media in San Francisco. The right-hander was asked if he is going to enjoy pitching in front of 42,000 Dodgers-hating fans at AT&T Park.

"42,001," he said, including himself in the new total.

TruR8r

09-02-2009, 11:26 AM

09-02-2009, 11:42 AM

Vicente Padilla seemed like a desperation move. How is he working out so far? Has he beaned anybody? Dude is an a-hole. At least he has to bat so he has to be accountable for his bitchness.

Doyers y Esleigher

09-02-2009, 02:31 PM

Padilla had an RBI last night. He made 37 pitches in the 1st but settled down big time and managed to get through 5.2.

TruR8r

09-03-2009, 06:41 AM

Padilla has been pretty good in his first 2 starts. He's Mexican, of course he's a hot head.

raiderdude69

09-03-2009, 09:28 AM

Damn Dodgers.. We need to step our shit up.. Giants and Rockies ain't gonna go away so we gotta keep the pace.. Let's hope Garland shuts the door on his old team tonight..

Doyers y Esleigher

09-15-2009, 11:52 PM

5 game lead!

I think it'd be fair to say Andre Ethier should be 4th-5th in NL MVP voting this year based on him being the most consistent hitter on the Dodgers, and all the big hits.

Big Game Geoff

09-16-2009, 10:17 AM

5 game lead!

I think it'd be fair to say Andre Ethier should be 4th-5th in NL MVP voting this year based on him being the most consistent hitter on the Dodgers, and all the big hits.

It feels good to have a little breathing room. Nice comeback win last night, even if it was against the Buc's.

Ethier is becoming super clutch. Let's hope he can do that in the playoffs!..

Doyers y Esleigher

09-23-2009, 11:37 AM

Nick Swisher... bad tattoo king.

http://betweenthepoles.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/nick-swisher1.jpg

Big Game Geoff

09-23-2009, 12:00 PM

Lol, Black Label Society? I heard Zack was in bad shape...

SONIC

10-06-2009, 08:15 AM

Surprise, surprise looks like we got the Red Sox AGAIN in the ALDS. I am really hoping we can break the playoff hex that Boston has put on us for years now. But, I believe.

Go Angels.

Doyers y Esleigher

10-06-2009, 09:45 AM

I thought the Angels had a chance with Beckett getting hurt but I guess he's going out there for game 2. I look at the Angels like the "sexy pick" to win the AL (with the Yankees being the safe, and probably guaranteed, bet) with the way they stack up, but it's so tough to bet against Beckett in the postseason. Lackey has to be Lackey in game 1.

I wish I'd bought Angels tickets. The Boston transplants in LA pay out the ass to go see the Red Sox when they're in a playoff game down there.

el boracho

10-06-2009, 07:38 PM

i dont know man about the yanks...the twins are real hot going in...the angels always have trouble with boston...well see

Go Doyers!!!!

Lil Joker

10-06-2009, 07:47 PM

Surprise, surprise looks like we got the Red Sox AGAIN in the ALDS. I am really hoping we can break the playoff hex that Boston has put on us for years now. But, I believe.

Go Angels.

Offense and pitching will be key. If we can keep that offense rolling, and if the pitching can hold up, ESPECIALLY then back end of the BP, then we should be good. But it's big IF's. Vlad is always disappearing in the playoffs, so I hope this year he can show up, but who knows. But we need to score some runs. Badly.

el boracho

10-06-2009, 07:49 PM

Offense and pitching will be key. If we can keep that offense rolling, and if the pitching can hold up, ESPECIALLY then back end of the BP, then we should be good. But it's big IF's. Vlad is always disappearing in the playoffs, so I hope this year he can show up, but who knows. But we need to score some runs. Badly.

the OC Angels have a hard time with Boston....I cant see them pulling it out...just a Dodger fan speaking the truth...:roflmao

chitown

10-07-2009, 08:12 AM

GO Red Sox!!!!!

Doyers y Esleigher

10-07-2009, 10:56 AM

Doyers y Esleigher

10-08-2009, 01:09 AM

Anyone remember the A's big offseason pickups? All 3 are on playoff teams right now haha.

el boracho

10-08-2009, 09:49 PM

Anyone remember the A's big offseason pickups? All 3 are on playoff teams right now haha.

holliday and who?

Doyers y Esleigher

10-08-2009, 10:20 PM

holliday and who?

Cabrera and Giambi

SONIC

10-09-2009, 06:01 AM

A 5-0 shutout of Boston by the Angels.

John Lackey was lights out and then that 3-run blast by Torii Hunter really helped us out. Our batters got to Jon Lester, one of the best left-handed pitchers in baseball. But one thing that disappoints me is that Vlad swings at EVERYTHING, he is impatient. IMO he needs to be moved down in the batting lineup.

Anyway, We lead 1-0...keep it up Angels!:fiesta:

chitown

10-09-2009, 08:58 AM

Terrible outing by the Red Sox, but I expect them to re-bound with Beckett pitching tonight.

SONIC

10-10-2009, 06:42 AM

Terrible outing by the Red Sox, but I expect them to re-bound with Beckett pitching tonight.

You were saying?

SONIC

10-10-2009, 06:45 AM

Overall I am very proud of the Angels with their first 2 games of the series. They did everything very well: pitching, hitting, baserunning, etc. But now we have to prove that we can beat this Red Sox team in Fenway Park at their house for game 3.

One game at a time...let's go Angels:fiesta:

JRaider17

10-10-2009, 10:26 AM

Yankees with the win... A-Rod and Tex!

I still can't believe we some how managed to get out of the inning which they had bases loaded with no outs.

SONIC

10-11-2009, 02:03 PM

Angels get revenge on the Red Sox and sweep them by finishing the series in THEIR ballpark. YES!!

SONIC

10-11-2009, 07:38 PM

Well, looks like we got the New York Yankees in the ALCS

GO ANGELS!!!

el boracho

10-11-2009, 08:02 PM

bring on the freeway series...:fiesta:

el boracho

10-15-2009, 11:21 PM

dam dodgers...fxck philly..its going to be a long series..

Doyers y Esleigher

10-16-2009, 12:55 AM

Son of a bitch

raiderdude69

10-16-2009, 09:36 AM

Son of a bitch

Tell me about it.. Blew too many chances and too many three run bombs.. That one by Ibanez was KILLER, right after we had blown chances to get the lead back.. Good to see Manny get out of his funk.. GOTTA have today's game.. Sucks ass it's a day game.. Gotta put it on the radio here at work..

raiderdude69

10-16-2009, 04:30 PM

Well hell.. Los Doyers got the fuckin' shit done int he 8th, steal one to tie this shit up.. Damn glad I found a MLB.TV feed to watch here at work.. Need to get at LEAST one in Philly, get this bitch back to LA...

SONIC

10-16-2009, 04:50 PM

Time for the ALCS to begin. Weather is 40 degrees in the Bronx. NY right now. All I have to say about the weather is that everyone at Yankee Stadium need to brace themselves 'cause this ain't gonna be pretty.

Lil Joker

10-16-2009, 10:31 PM

Embarassing game for Angels....need to step the fuck up!
First inning drop is inexcusable...:nono:

el boracho

10-19-2009, 09:43 PM

fXCKIN broxton...Bxllshit....

MaddenRaider

10-19-2009, 11:18 PM

Phillies just have too many bats. The Dodgers have to stop pitching to these guys, but it's hard. They've got bats all down the lineup. Reminds me of that A's team in the '80s. Tonight's loss was rough. Thought that Torre magic was kicking in in the middle of the game, when the Dodgers had their rally. It's not over, though.

chitown

10-20-2009, 12:02 PM

^^^^Nope it's not over YET. One more game till Philly advances... :D

Doyers y Esleigher

10-20-2009, 12:25 PM

Facepalm...

All day.

el boracho

10-20-2009, 06:42 PM

That game is over and you cant dwell on the shit but why didnt brox just try and redeem himself against Stairs...Fuck...

BADNESS

10-20-2009, 06:50 PM

Damn..Fucking A-Rod! So the "new" steroid in MLB is "Hollywood Pussy".Who Knew,since Chuck Finley & Tawny Kitean worked out so well. Can Manny & Jessica Simpson be far behind? Ryan Howard steals BeyonceButt from Jay-Z? Kate Hudson's Down South must be the shizzzznit!!

chitown

10-20-2009, 07:41 PM

Kate Hudson she's a beauty.

BADNESS

10-21-2009, 10:03 AM

MRHill is an "agent" for the "right". FOX-ASS Bitch! Talk about your team, and Hill will use them on FOX. FUCK!FOX SPORTS. Come up with your own analysis you phony.Stealing shit from people, and giving NO COMPENSATION! NO CREDIT!

HILL IS AN "AGENT". Didn't know this site was fucking with FOX agents.UUUUGH!

Doyers y Esleigher

10-21-2009, 10:13 AM

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u231/cheezeguy/n725075089_288918_2774.jpg

BADNESS

10-21-2009, 10:51 AM

The response i expected from Mr. Fox...(your a funny tool)

Doyers y Esleigher

10-21-2009, 12:14 PM

BADNESS

10-21-2009, 02:49 PM

Doyers y Esleigher

10-22-2009, 09:38 AM

I hope the Angels lose tonight.

Bullshit Tracker

10-22-2009, 09:52 AM

I hope the Angels lose tonight.

+1

Who you rooting for now, hill?

Big Game Geoff

10-22-2009, 10:38 AM

Anyone else want to flatten Shane Vitorino's nose?..

RaiderzVixen

10-22-2009, 01:07 PM

Anyone else want to flatten Shane Vitorino's nose?..

I'm your huckleberry!
I'm so damnn upset about the Dodgers loss. Words are beyond me right now!

raiderdude69

10-22-2009, 01:55 PM

Anyone else want to flatten Shane Vitorino's nose?..

(Raising size 12 steeltoe)... HELL YES!!! That dude's a little pissant motherfucker..

But if he was on the Dodgers I'd love him.. :D

But yeah, shitty way to end the season.. Phillies are just the better team, hands down.. I am D-O-N-E watching MLB till April.. Don't care for either the Yankees or Angels, although the Yankees will no doubt win that series... And I cannot stand the Phillies, so I don't really care who wins..

Go Lakers!!

TAPE

10-22-2009, 02:53 PM

chitown

10-22-2009, 03:03 PM

U need to stfu and take this ass reaming your team is going to get from the Yanks

:roflmao

Doyers y Esleigher

10-22-2009, 03:34 PM

Not watching this World Series sounds foolish. Those two offenses are going to light up the sky.

SONIC

10-22-2009, 04:07 PM

U need to stfu and take this ass reaming your team is going to get from the Yanks

Dude, I made that post before Game 1 of the ALCS began.

Sonny Cheeba

10-22-2009, 04:51 PM

U need to stfu and take this ass reaming your team is going to get from the Yanks
Yup.

BADNESS

10-22-2009, 05:08 PM

A-Rod is on "PUSSY!". He keeps putting his hands-to-his-mouth.HE'S CHEATING!!

SONIC

10-22-2009, 06:01 PM

4-0 Angels in the 4th inning

Who's doing the "ass reaming" here?

Doyers y Esleigher

10-22-2009, 06:09 PM

4-0 Angels in the 4th inning

Who's doing the "ass reaming" here?

The Yankees. They're up 3-1 in the series.

el boracho

10-22-2009, 06:20 PM

yankees wont get shutout...they will make this a game...

SONIC

10-22-2009, 06:58 PM

Well in an embarrassing moment. A fan takes it upon himself to take an adventure on the rocks & water foundtains at Angel stadium and decides to "literally" make a splash.

Whether security may or may not have gotten to him...my friend you finally got your 15 seconds of fame, off you go never to be seen for at the very least the rest of the night :hi:

Something to tell his grandkids one day, huh?

SONIC

10-22-2009, 07:19 PM

Fucking Darren Oliver

I don't blame John Lackey for being pissed off, the umpire screwed him by making the Yankee baserunner safe when he should've been out, and Scioscia screwed him by taking him out and putting in a pitcher who threw that hanging curve to put the Yankees right back in this game.

Bullshit Tracker

10-22-2009, 07:29 PM

4-0 Angels in the 4th inning

Who's doing the "ass reaming" here?

:huh:

now what?

SONIC

10-22-2009, 07:45 PM

:huh:

now what?

It's 7-6 Angels in the 8th

SONIC

10-25-2009, 09:26 PM

Well, time for me to eat crow and give the Yankees their props. They were all-around the better team. The errors we have made throughout the ALCS killed us. We left too many men on base. They beat us & we beat ourselves, plain and simple.

Yankees vs. Phillies should be a fun World Series though.

Doyers y Esleigher

10-25-2009, 09:31 PM

It was stupid to suggest the Angels might be better than the Yankees. It would have been a huge upset.

Lil Joker

10-25-2009, 09:41 PM

Angels pretty much rolled over. They could have beat the Yanks, but the Yanks just jumped on the Angels' mistakes. Scioscia was making some dumb mistakes too...taking Mathis out, who was the hottest hitter on the team? Leaving Figgins at the top of the lineup, where he's been sucking through the playoffs and against lefties? Yankees just outplayed and outcoached the Angels.

chitown

10-25-2009, 10:26 PM

This looks to be a great WS, with the paper line-up. Oh yeah, fuck the HALO'S!!!!!!

Doyers y Esleigher

10-25-2009, 10:58 PM

Mike Scioscia sucks so bad. Shitty manager.

Bullshit Tracker

10-25-2009, 11:21 PM

It's 7-6 Angels in the 8th

And now?

TAPE

10-30-2009, 09:54 AM

Utley was safe

Doyers y Esleigher

12-12-2009, 08:04 PM

http://www.examiner.com/x-31716-LA-Sports-Examiner~y2009m12d12-Dodgers--McCourt-divorce-gets-weird-like-really-really-weird

SONIC

03-27-2010, 08:22 AM

Just thought I'd bump up this thread considering that Opening Day is just one week away:dj::beer:

el boracho

04-02-2010, 11:44 AM

I want to smack an Angles fan right about now. GO DOYERS!!!!

TAPE

04-03-2010, 11:21 AM

Jose Reyes starting the season on the DL.... fuck my life...

FortBraggRaidah

04-03-2010, 11:41 AM

He did play in a minor league game on Friday going 1-4 with a homerun. Although he will start on the 15 day DL, they are saying he might be back as soon a next saturday.

TAPE

04-03-2010, 04:23 PM

He did play in a minor league game on Friday going 1-4 with a homerun. Although he will start on the 15 day DL, they are saying he might be back as soon a next saturday.

Yes but you can look forward to the NEXT DL stint.... it is inevitable with Reyes.

FortBraggRaidah

04-03-2010, 04:25 PM

hahaha so true

SONIC

04-04-2010, 10:25 AM

Jose Reyes starting the season on the DL.... fuck my life...

With his latest injury, it's to be wondering what he is gonna lose THIS time because so much of that guy's value revolves around his blazing speed. At 100% from Reyes, you would be looking at 60-70 steals instead of just 30 and 18 triples instead of a scant few.

DED

04-05-2010, 09:29 AM

Drama in A's Land....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Cust-angry-after-demotion-Chavez-bewildered-by-?urn=mlb,231977

SONIC

04-05-2010, 01:59 PM

Drama in A's Land....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Cust-angry-after-demotion-Chavez-bewildered-by-?urn=mlb,231977

Cust is one-dimensional, either he can only beat pitchers by drawing a walk, or getting a home run. He should be lucky that they signed him to a one-year deal while he was on the cusp of being released by the team. And putting Chavez of all people in DH? The one thing you should look forward to from him is his eight-figure salary coming off the books after this season.

el boracho

04-06-2010, 01:40 AM

dam dodgers looked horrible on opening day against the pirates. Its only one but dam that shit was pitiful.

SONIC

04-06-2010, 07:50 AM

Hideki Matsui...welcome to the Angels.:clap:

Big Game Geoff

04-06-2010, 10:18 AM

Nice job Vicente.

Go Blue...

FortBraggRaidah

04-06-2010, 01:16 PM

Timmy looked great in the win last nite and the dodgers lost too...so it was a good nite.

Doyers y Esleigher

04-06-2010, 02:47 PM

It's tough for me to worry this early, especially since our #3 starter was going, but damn this staff looks awful this year. We usually have 1-2 washed up pitchers that we turn into pen studs/decent spot starters. but I don't quite trust Ramon Ortiz to do this the way Chan Ho/Wilson Alvarez/Jeff Weaver did. We'll see.

The Giants winning with Lincecum doesn't answer any questions about them. The offensive improvements were marginal so we'll see how they shake out long term. I'm still not sure they can score enough runs to win more than 84 games.

FortBraggRaidah

04-06-2010, 03:25 PM

MrHill, i couldnt agree with you more. I am also pessimistic about them scoring, they dont want to spend money on top players and the top hitters dont want to play at AT&T i.e Holliday. Not sure if they will win 84 games, it would be nice, its always fun when it comes down to the dodgers and giants at the end of the season. In my opinion, as unimportant as it is, i still think the Dodgers are the team to beat in the West, and it kills me to say it. BUt it the Giants get hot in sept, look out.

SONIC

04-06-2010, 06:12 PM

Nice job Vicente.

Go Blue...

Vicente Padilla has been a steal for you guys. Here was someone who came from Texas and wore out his welcome by inciting beanball wars & retreating to the Rangers clubhouse midgame and then here he comes to L.A. and all of a sudden, the velocity on his fastball and curveball ticked & generated far more strikes than walks.

SONIC

04-06-2010, 06:13 PM

Timmy looked great in the win last nite and the dodgers lost too...so it was a good nite.

It will be interesting, to say the least, how Madison Bumgarner will do, you might have a second "Lincecum" in that guy.

el boracho

04-06-2010, 08:15 PM

It pisses me off watching all these number one starters take the mound on opening day. Roy Holliday looked real good like he always does and Mccourt is a fucking idiot for not trying to get him.

SONIC

04-06-2010, 09:56 PM

It pisses me off watching all these number one starters take the mound on opening day. Roy Holliday looked real good like he always does and Mccourt is a fucking idiot for not trying to get him.

If there's any good news from McCourt being your owner is this...at least you're not owned by Rupert Murdoch & News Corp. like you have been in the past for a few years.

Doyers y Esleigher

04-07-2010, 09:33 AM

If there's any good news from McCourt being your owner is this...at least you're not owned by Rupert Murdoch & News Corp. like you have been in the past for a few years.

McCourt's been the owner since 2004, but yeah, he's obviously better than Murdoch. We've been to the postseason 4 times since, 4 more times than Murdoch and Co. ever brought us to the dance.

SONIC

04-10-2010, 01:54 PM

The Angels go from losing 3 out of 4 to Minnesota to start the season and getting crushed by Oakland 10-2 while showing no heart during the game.

Yay:rolleyes:

http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/images/smilies/033102ass_1_prv.gifhttp://www.netpond.com/images/smilies/fellate.gif

SONIC

04-12-2010, 02:13 PM

The new Minnesota Twins' ballpark, Target Field...IS GORGEOUS

'nuff said

Big Game Geoff

04-12-2010, 02:30 PM

SoCal baseball is embarrassing so far...

TAPE

04-15-2010, 05:00 PM

Please fire Jerry Manuel and Omar Minaya

SONIC

04-16-2010, 04:00 PM

Please fire Jerry Manuel and Omar Minaya

Jerry Manuel will probably get fired mid-season or as soon as the season is over, along with Minaya who is just a mush-mouth. However if there has to be a defense for him is that if he had free reigns he would probably do a little bit better but Mets management operates under restraints for their budget, especially being the red-headed step children of the Bronx-based Yankees.

SONIC

04-18-2010, 05:52 AM

10 games into the season, and this team is obviously not as dominant as it was in past years.

The pitching staff took a big hit after John Lackey left for Boston. Joe Saunders & Ervin Santana are not playing like their 2008 forms, Jered Weaver would've been a #4 or #5 starter on many other teams' rotations.

Lineup wise, I always like Vladimir Guerrero, even as his age, I felt he could still produce. And thank God for Kendry Morales who filled in for Teixeira (I now hate seeing him or even saying his name) after he left. Brandon Wood is young but his time needs to be now and Howie Kendrick needs to show why he has had batting title predictions before coming to the starting lineup.

SONIC

05-21-2010, 05:29 PM

Hey Bump, what is up with your manager pulling one of the pitchers just 5 pitches into the game?

CrizpyNutz

06-02-2010, 01:04 PM

Don

06-04-2010, 01:02 AM

Damn, tough *break* for Morales! That hurts the Angels lineup for sure....

LOL...im sorry i normally dont laugh at injury...but damn..

DED

12-14-2010, 12:20 PM

Cletus McFetus

12-14-2010, 12:22 PM

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101213&content_id=16314818&vkey=news_oak&c_id=oak&partnerId=rss_oak

Matsui + Beltre would be FTW. though Beane would only trade them at the break if they play well.....

Beltre???? Is that a rumor or something you would like?? I don't see the Sox getting rid of him after this season and after picking up the studs they just did. The Sox will be nasty next season.... NASTY!!!

DED

12-14-2010, 12:32 PM

^^Nah they were one of the front runners supposedly, but looks like they backed out....

http://www.mercurynews.com/athletics/ci_16811811?nclick_check=1

raiderdude69

12-14-2010, 01:05 PM

Russell Martins signs with the Yankees...

Won't miss him.. Dude ain't done shit the last two years, but going to the AL will give him a shot to DH once in awhile I guess.. He ain't a Dodger anymore so fuck him with a rusty pipe..

raiderdude69

12-14-2010, 01:15 PM

^^Nah they were one of the front runners supposedly, but looks like they backed out....

http://www.mercurynews.com/athletics/ci_16811811?nclick_check=1

Hahahahaha, fuckin' Beltre... Classic case of a dude that plays VERY well in contract years, and VERY mediocre the rest of the time.. Watched him his whole career as a Dodger, never really fulfilled that promise, but then he had that MONSTER '04 season and almost won MVP (coinkydink?)...

I moved to Seattle the summer of '04, Beltre signed with the Mariners the following spring, so I watched him again for five years, many times live, and although he played a near flawless 3rd defensively, his offensive #'s were once again, mediocre at best.. Had really one GOOD year in Seattle with the bat, got injured his last year in town, then went to Boston for the one year deal and had some good #'s again (coinkydink?)..

I hope like hell he signs with the Angels and sucks ass for them, since I hate 'em anyway.. Just sayin'...

Lil Joker

12-14-2010, 03:39 PM

Angels acting like pee pee panties..

TAPE

12-16-2010, 12:10 PM

Meanwhile Mets aint doin shit

Dewn Coon

12-16-2010, 02:43 PM

M's continue to prove that we are the worst team in the league period.

SONIC

12-17-2010, 08:30 AM

Angels acting like pee pee panties..

Hell, Billy Beane himself is making more moves than Tony Reagins has been this offseason. Will Arte Moreno please fire him?

SONIC

01-21-2011, 07:30 PM

Tampa Bay Rays agree to deals with Manny Ramirez & Johnny Damon

ST. PETERSBURG -- Johnny Damon and Manny Ramirez will be joining the Rays for the 2011 season after each agreed to a one-year deal Friday night.

According to a Major League source, Damon will be paid $5.25 million with a $750,000 attendance bonus, while Ramirez will make $2 million.

The Rays have not confirmed the deals, nor have they commented on either player.

For the length of the offseason, Rays fans have sat by patiently waiting for the team to reveal its hand for the 2011 season. After losing first baseman Carlos Pena and left fielder Carl Crawford to free agency, the Rays needed to address their run production for the coming season.

This latest news should adequately insure the Rays will not lack any firepower in 2011.

Damon, 37, manned left field and served as designated hitter for the Tigers last season, hitting .271 with eight home runs and 51 RBIs, and he scored 81 runs over 145 games. He has played for two World Series champions -- the Red Sox in 2004 and the Yankees in 2009.

With 2,571 career hits, Damon stands just 429 from the 3,000 mark. He will likely serve time in left field, at DH and come off the bench for the Rays, and he adds a quality veteran presence to the clubhouse.

Ramirez, 38, hit .311 with eight home runs and 40 RBIs in 66 games for the Dodgers in 2010 before finishing the season with the White Sox, where he batted .261 with one home run and two RBIs in 24 games. He has 555 career home runs -- 14th on the all-time leaderboard -- and is a 12-time All-Star.

Ramirez was suspended 50 games in early May for violating Major League Baseball's Performance Enhancing Drug policy for taking human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG), a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart the body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle.

Ramirez will likely be used primarily as a DH and will give Evan Longoria protection in the Rays' lineup.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110121&content_id=16475434&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

SONIC

01-21-2011, 07:40 PM

Angels trade Mike Napoli & Juan Rivera to Blue Jays for Vernon Wells

The Los Angeles Angels, shut out in several bids to acquire free-agent hitters this winter, have acquired three-time All-Star Vernon Wells from the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for catcher Mike Napoli and outfielder Juan Rivera.

"Vernon is a player we have admired for some time," Angels general manager Tony Reagins said in a statement. "He is a tremendous person and the type of player that will impact our club immediately both on offense and defense."

Wells was in Southern California for his physical Friday, according to a major league source, and agreed to waive his no-trade clause.

Napoli led the Angels with 26 home runs last year, but the team has been shopping Napoli for months in part because of his inconsistent defense. The Angels' desire to move him accelerated when Napoli asked for $6.1 million in an arbitration filing last week. The Angels were beaten out in efforts to land Carl Crawford and Adrian Beltre earlier this winter, but acquiring Wells shows that their willingness to spend money this offseason is in earnest. Wells is owed $86 million over the next four seasons -- $23 million next season and $21 million in each of the following three seasons.

The Blue Jays had been trying for years to free themselves from the financial weight of Wells' contract. Friday's move could make it easier for the Blue Jays to extend the contract of slugger Jose Bautista.

Toronto general manager Alex Anthopolous said Anaheim was one of the few places to which Wells would have waived his no-trade clause.

"It made sense for them and it certainly made sense for us the way this deal was structured," Anthopolous said.

Wells, a resident of Texas, has played all 12 of his major league seasons in Toronto and had a comeback season in 2010, batting .273 with 31 home runs, a .515 slugging percentage and 88 RBIs.

Trading Napoli and Rivera, whose 2011 salary is $5.25 million, frees up at least $10.55 million, helping defray some of Wells' hefty salary, and gives the Angels the flexibility to add more offense. The Angels slipped from No. 2 in runs scored in 2009 to No. 19 last season.

Wells, a three-time Gold Glove winner, likely will play center field for the Angels. Torii Hunter will continue to play right.

The team has had discussions involving leadoff man Scott Podsednik, an addition that would allow the Angels to use Bobby Abreu at designated hitter. The Angels prefer that route to using Abreu, who turns 37 in March, in the outfield on a daily basis.

Rookie Peter Bourjos could be ticketed for Triple-A or be in a competition with Reggie Willits this spring for a job as the team's fourth outfielder.

If the Angels can't land Podsednik, they could go after a designated hitter. They have been linked to ex-Angel Vladimir Guerrero.

Trading away Napoli also clears the path for one of the Angels' top prospects, catcher Hank Conger, who batted .300 with 11 home runs and 49 RBIs at Triple-A Salt Lake last season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=6046548

Lil Joker

01-21-2011, 10:01 PM

Holy shit Juan too? So lawng napohlee....damn but seriously too many outfieldahs....can we get some mothaf*((%$$##@$%#$% infielders or pitchers? :pissed:

Dmac2thehouse

01-21-2011, 10:48 PM

Holy Toledo!

Sonny Cheeba

04-02-2011, 12:38 PM

Awww shit, Blue Jays are 2-0. :boombox:

Cain Velasquez=2011 Cy Young winner.

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TAPE

04-02-2011, 08:19 PM

METSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

somebody lost 10-0 today...............:laugh:

Lil Joker

04-02-2011, 08:26 PM

Fuckin angels, bullpen is still FTL

silver & black

04-03-2011, 06:41 AM

Looks like the Tribe will suck again. IOI!

Doyers y Esleigher

04-03-2011, 01:36 PM

METSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

somebody lost 10-0 today...............:laugh:

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Jake

04-03-2011, 09:09 PM

Dem A'z got off teh shnide today. Got all in Seattle'z azz.

1-2 LETS-GO-OAK-LAND

Big Game Geoff

04-04-2011, 09:45 AM

FYI - Direct TV is showing the MLB package for free until 4/10.

Viva Los Angeles Doyers...

TAPE

04-08-2011, 06:31 PM

fuck the Mets....jesus

BADNESS

04-26-2011, 09:33 AM

Woman alleges Lenny Dykstra stripped naked, asked for massage during her job interview
BY Nancy Dillon
DAILY NEWS WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF

Tuesday, April 26th 2011, 4:00 AM

Andrew Savulich/NewsFormer New York Mets player Lenny Dykstra is the target of at least two financial probes. LOS ANGELES - Ex-Met Lenny Dykstra is denying an allegation that he stripped naked and asked for a massage from a woman interviewing for a housekeeping job.

"Total garbage - never happened," the embattled baseballer said through his lawyer.

The woman's lawyer said she plans to sue. He declined to release her name or a police report she claims to have filed.

"She's really traumatized. She had to see a psychiatrist. She said she can't sleep," said lawyer Mauro Fiore.

He said the married mother of six answered a craigslist ad for a cleaning woman and agreed to meet Dykstra at an Encino, Calif., house on April 9.

Fiore said Dykstra led her to a guesthouse, gave her a box of oils, disrobed and jumped on a bed.

"He said he had a lot of injuries from being an athlete and needed her to massage him as part of the job," Fiore said. "That's when she ran out."

Dykstra, 49, who has been beset by money woes, is the target of at least two financial probes.