Most hated team!

[Sonny Cheeba]

So this is kind of a response to uncle cheapshot's thread about which team(s) you might root for or you cheer for when nobody is looking. Here is where we talk about which team you hate the most and why! :2guns

For me it's EASILY the San Diego Super Chokers. I know the queefs and donkeys are more traditional rivals, but nothing makes my blood boil more than those super-charged fairies and their testicle-licking fans. I hate fake LT, I hate Rivers, I hate Merrifag, I hate AJ Smith, basically I morbidly despise everything about them! :punch:

Discuss! :roc:

[SONIC]

It's hard to pick just one so I'll discuss several of them (in no particular order).

Denver Broncos: Denver really began to be a big rival to us in the late 70s upon the arrival of their Orange Crush defense coached by Red Miller. Players like Tom Jackson hated us and wanted nothing more than to beat us. The Rob Lytle fumble in the 1977 AFC Championship was once of the worst calls we have ever had against us, that stole the game for Denver. We hated them then and things only got worse. We were close to getting Elway & we would've got him had it not been for Pete Rozelle voiding the trade at the last minute, he went to Denver instead. Also the head Donkey, Mike "Rat" Shanahan. He is still so fucking butt-hurt over the fact that Al Davis refused to give him the rest of his money after he got fired as our head coach in the late 80s.

Pittsburgh Steelers: In every big game oas of late, it seems the referees always make the most crucial calls in favor of them solely based on their large fanbase & mostly of what they accomplished in the past. Just ask the Seahawks in 2005 & the Cardinals in 2008 when they got screwed by the officials in their Super Bowls against the Steelers. Also, in the 70s the Steelers were our Arch Rival. From the Immaculate DEception to the 1976 season where we finally stood up to them and won the AFC Championship en route to our first Super Bowl title and everything in between. Chuck Noll, while knowing his players were just as vicious, went crying abuot Atkinson being a "criminal" out on the field after clotheslining Lynn Swann, forcing Atkinson to sue Noll for slander. Not to mention the sight of their Terrible Tampon waving fans at every Steeler game, at Heinz Field & on the road.

New England Patriots: The Tuck Rule was one of the most painful moments hands down in my life. IT WAS A FUMBLE! My hatred for New England reached a fever pitch during their pursuit of "Perfection". The fact that they spied on other teams (hence Spygate) during their dynasty years just proves that they are nothing but a bunch of classless cheaters. I was so fucking happy when the Giants upset New England in the Super Bowl. When Tom Brady went down the following year for the season I was singing the "Na Na Hey Hey Goodbye" song to him through my T.V. Screen. That is how much I hate the Patsies.

[TheMadEskimo]

Growing up in the Bay Area I hated the 49ers with a passion! It ruined my day when they won, and in the 80's they ruined a lot of my days. But as soon as Jerry Jones took over the Dallas Cowboys my hate completely shifted to the Cowboys. I hated Jimmy Johnson at Miami and him teamed up with Jerry Jones made me side with the 49ers in their 90's rivalry.

Anyway after living in Texas for 5 years in the 90's just cemented my hate for the Cowboys, and after all the losing the Raiders have done these past six seasons, the win over the Dallas Cowboys in Oakland a few years ago was great thing to witness!

[FilipinoRaider]

I have to say the Steelers! Mostly because of their newly bred homer type buffoon fans!

I do respect the Steelers die hard fans, because they know about their favorite team and they pay attention to the opponents also.

These new breed of Steelers fans are just downright annoying and can barley name 5 players on that team.

And for Gods sakes Steelers fans, of course you're going to have fans everywhere when over half of the population of your City bails to other parts of the Country!!!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

San Diego Chargers and it's not even close for anyone else. I think SoCal Raider fans hate the Chargers like NorCal fans hate the 49ers, since proximity usually breeds contempt. I can't stand San Diego or it's fans or a lot of the people that live there. Boring ass Republican city with bandwagon fans. F the Padres too.

[GenRaider]

I despise 31 other teams.

[TAPE]

Chargers, Broncos, Chiefs..... hate them all equally

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Also, this isn't a team, but I really cannot fucking stand Brett Favre.

[GenRaider]

Also, this isn't a team, but I really cannot fucking stand Brett Favre.

You mean the biggest drama queen in sports? Fuck him.

[Raiderette619]

San Diego Super Chargless Hands down!!!
I hate their fans the most!! FUK THEM!

[Bullshit Tracker]

San Diego Chargers and it's not even close for anyone else. I think SoCal Raider fans hate the Chargers like NorCal fans hate the 49ers, since proximity usually breeds contempt. I can't stand San Diego or it's fans or a lot of the people that live there. Boring ass Republican city with bandwagon fans. F the Padres too.

Hahaha! +1

6-7 years ago, it woulda probably been the Broncos, for me, but it's most definitely the Chargers, now. There's nothing worse than sitting next to my brother-in-law (the Charger fan) while they're handing us our asses, yet again.

Oh, and leaving the Q after a loss, and being taunted by bandwagon SD fans, really-really-really fucking sucks.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Oh, and leaving the Q after a loss, and being taunted by bandwagon SD fans, really-really-really fucking sucks.

Honestly, we kinda deserve it. If I was made a stranger in my own home for 10 years while people ran wild, then my team finally got good, I'd be all over one of their fans too.

[cheapshotartist]

The mofuking Kansas City b!tch azz Chiefs! :punch::cuss::csa:

[Raiderette619]

Honestly, we kinda deserve it. If I was made a stranger in my own home for 10 years while people ran wild, then my team finally got good, I'd be all over one of their fans too.

I agree...I just deal w/it when they give me crap. Now when they want to start throwing their so called facts out they know nothing about then that's a different story. If they are taunting after a win..well screw it. I'll still hit the parking lot and crack open another beer and have a good time!

[Bullshit Tracker]

Honestly, we kinda deserve it. If I was made a stranger in my own home for 10 years while people ran wild, then my team finally got good, I'd be all over one of their fans too.

That's just it, though.. I wasn't making them "a stranger" in their own home, because they didn't even exist!

:)

[Bullshit Tracker]

I agree...I just deal w/it when they give me crap. Now when they want to start throwing their so called facts out they know nothing about then that's a different story. If they are taunting after a win..well screw it. I'll still hit the parking lot and crack open another beer and have a good time!

Don't get me wrong, I don't take it all that bad. It just, really really really sucks. Last time I went to SD for the game, we got beat pretty badly! I went with another Raider fan, and my brother-in-law. After the game, we got taunted a little bit, but we all partied together w/ a bunch of other Charger fans.

[Raiderette619]

Don't get me wrong, I don't take it all that bad. It just, really really really sucks. Last time I went to SD for the game, we got beat pretty badly! I went with another Raider fan, and my brother-in-law. After the game, we got taunted a little bit, but we all partied together w/ a bunch of other Charger fans.

yeah I know what you are saying..I've sat in that stadium plenty of times and been taunted and talked crap to while we are getting beat bad. It does suck..but I keep going year after year to hopefully see a Win one day and trust me I will be giving them hella crap!! LMAO

[GenRaider]

The mofuking Kansas City b!tch azz Chiefs! :punch::cuss::csa:

All the OG's go to that game! That game tends to be a little more nasty...

[Doyers y Esleigher]

That's just it, though.. I wasn't making them "a stranger" in their own home, because they didn't even exist!

:)

This is true.

The long-time hardcore Charger fans seem to have the most venom though. Those are the ones I don't blame. I won't blame them for hating it when it happens again, either. The next time the Raiders win there might result in a riot.

[Bullshit Tracker]

This is true.

The long-time hardcore Charger fans seem to have the most venom though. Those are the ones I don't blame. I won't blame them for hating it when it happens again, either. The next time the Raiders win there might result in a riot.

I hope I'm there!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I really thought it was going to happen in 2006, then Rob Ryan switched to the soft zone and the refs bailed Vincent Jackson out of the game-blowing boner of the year. That was a tough walk to the car.

[iceman4444]

So this is kind of a response to uncle cheapshot's thread about which team(s) you might root for or you cheer for when nobody is looking. Here is where we talk about which team you hate the most and why! :2guns

For me it's EASILY the San Diego Super Chokers. I know the queefs and donkeys are more traditional rivals, but nothing makes my blood boil more than those super-charged fairies and their testicle-licking fans. I hate fake LT, I hate Rivers, I hate Merrifag, I hate AJ Smith, basically I morbidly despise everything about them! :punch:

Discuss! :roc:

For Older Raider fans it's the KC chiefs by far, and Pittsburgh next. For the younger fan it's probably Denver and maybe a little San Diego.

[silver & black]

I hate the fu*king Patr*ots with a passion. I hate the Chargers just because of their moron fans. I hate the Chiefs because I'm an old guy... and they will ALWAYS be our #1 rival. I know I said I would root for the Steelers in Cheap's thread, but... I still hate them for the 70's... and because like someone else already said... the refs give them every break imaginable, and their newer fans just suck ass.

[cheapshotartist]

All the OG's go to that game! That game tends to be a little more nasty...

Word! If we only win two games let both of them be over the Chiefs. :csa:

For Older Raider fans it's the KC chiefs by far, and Pittsburgh next. For the younger fan it's probably Denver and maybe a little San Diego.

That's right Ice the Chiefs and the Steelers. If it wasn't for the Steelers we may have played in 4 more SB's. F*ck both of them.
:2guns:csa:

[SONIC]

Even if I WAS an old school OG Raider fan, but I'm only 22 years old, I would think that the Denver Broncos were our biggest divisional rival. Mostly because they are the closest to us in Super Bowl titles & the fact that they had The Rat as their head coach. Kansas City's old head coach, Herman Edwards, isn't really a Raider Hater like Schottenheimer & Shanahan are, in fact he actually respects the Raiders. But I digress so, even though The Rat got fired, I still hate the Donks more than the Queefs & the Dolts.

[GenRaider]

Even if I WAS an old school OG Raider fan, but I'm only 22 years old, I would think that the Denver Broncos were our biggest divisional rival. Mostly because they are the closest to us in Super Bowl titles & the fact that they had The Rat as their head coach. As for me, even though The Rat got fired, I still hate the Donks more than the Queefs & the Dolts.

We have more history with the Chiefs, much more history.

[sraiderguy]

The mofuking Kansas City b!tch azz Chiefs! :punch::cuss::csa:

Yep F*ck the Chiefs. I easily hate them more than any other team.

[TruR8r]

The Fucken Donkeys!!! I hate those mothefukers with a fucken passion. The Chargers are gaining on them though especially since the wagon has increased these past 5 years.

[Don]

The Chiefs are the only AFC west team to own us in overall record, but for some reason I don't hate on them nearly as much as the Fucken Broncos. I literally can't stand that wack ass fucken donkey of a logo and the fans tend to piss my shit off worse than any other...What made it worse was last year duribg, the opener, I got into it with a Broncos fan behind me, and this cocksucker went and got the usher on me in MY OWN FUCKEN SECTION.

[SONIC]

We have more history with the Chiefs, much more history.

Especially in the 60s, but in the 70s & 80s it was more with the Broncos (Lytle Fumble, the Elway Draft Day incident). 90s is a tie for me because Shanahan became head coach of the Donks & Schottenheimer & his Chiefs gave us fits for years in that decade.

[SONIC]

The Chiefs are the only AFC west team to own us in overall record, but for some reason I don't hate on them nearly as much as the Fucken Broncos. I literally can't stand that wack ass fucken donkey of a logo and the fans tend to piss my shit off worse than any other...What made it worse was last year during, the opener, I got into it with a Broncos fan behind me, and this cocksucker went and got the usher on me in MY OWN FUCKEN SECTION.

Are you kidding me? The Bronco fan went crying to the usher on you in yoru own section? Was your own son there when it happened? Did the Broncos fan instigate you first before you started to go at it with him?

[GenRaider]

Especially in the 60s, but in the 70s & 80s it was more with the Broncos (Lytle Fumble, the Elway Draft Day incident). 90s is a tie for me because Shanahan became head coach of the Donks & Schottenheimer & his Chiefs gave us fits for years in that decade.

No. We have always had history with the Chiefs, it is naturally a bigger rivarly. And I don't see how the Broncos getting Elway adds to the rivalry. THE CHEIFS are naturally our number 1 hated enemy.

[Don]

Are you kidding me? The Bronco fan went crying to the usher on you in yoru own section? Was your own son there when it happened? Did the Broncos fan instigate you first before you started to go at it with him?

Naw man. My kid gets a preseason game, and I brought him to the Patriots game. The rest of the year is drunken debauchery for me. I brought my homie Miguel there, and we were loud and pissed. This dickwad was squealing like a little bitch every time Cutler completed a pass. We started it, and as we left dejected and pissed, we finished it.

[sraiderguy]

No. We have always had history with the Chiefs, it is naturally a bigger rivarly. And I don't see how the Broncos getting Elway adds to the rivalry. THE CHEIFS are naturally our number 1 hated enemy.

I agree KC is the most bitter rivalry, but I must admit after moving to Colorado I really despise most of these Donko fans out here.

[Big Game Geoff]

Used to be KC, but having lived down here for over a decade I have to say SD. These fucking fans can get under my skin like no other.

FUCK THE CHIEFS, BRONCOS AND CHARGERS!..

[Sonny Cheeba]

Another reason why for me personally it's SD, is because at least we've beaten the queefs and donkeys recently. We've lost what, 11 straight to the dolts??? Fuckin terrible.

Also the fact that those faggots tick us off as an easy victory when they see the schedule. And remember our game in SD this year? After an easy drive Tomlinson walks into the endzone untouched, then he's on the sideline with a stupid fuckin grimace on his face and says "MAN that was easy." Moments like that make me fuckin furious. And of course after we finish getting our asses kicked we see Morrison and Howard yucking it up with Tomlinson at midfield, like they're all long-lost buddies. Fuck! :maddance:

[sraiderguy]

Used to be KC, but having lived down here for over a decade I have to say SD. These fucking fans can get under my skin like no other.

FUCK THE CHIEFS, BRONCOS AND CHARGERS!..

If it was most annoying fans it would hands down be the Donkeys fan base they are the most ignorant bandwagon jumping ones in the league.

[Big O Dick]

SD Sparks...by far. I hate their gay ass fans too. Theres nothing they can do with that team and fanbase without it looking super gay. And I hate Phillip Rivers too...god I hate that guy!

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[SONIC]

No. We have always had history with the Chiefs, it is naturally a bigger rivarly. And I don't see how the Broncos getting Elway adds to the rivalry.

If it wasn't Elway, it was definitely Mike Shanahan. He hated us & ESPECIALLY Al Davis the minute he got fired. He was the most obsessed with beating us than anybody our team has come across. When he came to Denver, it put our feud with Denver over the top as our biggest one. Even though AT THAT TIME the Chiefs had another Raider Hater, Marty Schottenheimer as their head coach. But the feud between Al Davis & Mike Shanahan is LEGENDARY.

[cheapshotartist]

No. We have always had history with the Chiefs, it is naturally a bigger rivarly. And I don't see how the Broncos getting Elway adds to the rivalry. THE CHEIFS are naturally our number 1 hated enemy.

Hank Stram, Curley Culp, Bobby Bell, Otis Taylor, Len Dawson, ect,ect. :csa:

[Raiderette619]

Another reason why for me personally it's SD, is because at least we've beaten the queefs and donkeys recently. We've lost what, 11 straight to the dolts??? Fuckin terrible.

Also the fact that those faggots tick us off as an easy victory when they see the schedule. And remember our game in SD this year? After an easy drive Tomlinson walks into the endzone untouched, then he's on the sideline with a stupid fuckin grimace on his face and says "MAN that was easy." Moments like that make me fuckin furious. And of course after we finish getting our asses kicked we see Morrison and Howard yucking it up with Tomlinson at midfield, like they're all long-lost buddies. Fuck! :maddance:

ugh! you had to rehash that! that was horrible!!! I heard about it for days!

[Ladyr8r]

Used to be the donks, MANY donk fans here where I live. Now, I could care less about them, I HATE seein the bolts in Oakland owning their azz. Doesnt help that number 21 always runs over the D.........ARGHHH.....

[DutchRaider]

The teams I hate the most are the Chiefs and the Cowboys, I just love it when these two teams get their *sses kicked.

[Big O Dick]

The teams I hate the most are the Chiefs and the Cowboys, I just love it when these two teams get their *sses kicked.

Yeah I hate the Cowgirls cuz of all the bandwagon fans we have here, same with the Donkeys.

Since the Donks havent been to a bowl or any post seasons lately, their fanbase has decreased here...but the Raider fans out here are going strong!!!

[yayarea_raider]

Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs, Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots.

When the rat was HC of the donks they were #1. I've never hated the Steelers so much until now. I know I should since the rivalries back in the day, but that was before my time...

I still enjoy watching them play cause I like Big Ben, Parker, Polamalu, Harrisson...but man the fact that the SB and their last one was tilted their way makes me livid. If you get to the big game, everything should be looked at evenly. It was not.

[JRaider17]

I used to hate the Broncos more...but it seems the Chargers took the top spot, seeing them beat the shit out of us every year is just horrible.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs, Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots.

When the rat was HC of the donks they were #1. I've never hated the Steelers so much until now. I know I should since the rivalries back in the day, but that was before my time...

I still enjoy watching them play cause I like Big Ben, Parker, Polamalu, Harrisson...but man the fact that the SB and their last one was tilted their way makes me livid. If you get to the big game, everything should be looked at evenly. It was not.

The last Steelers Super Bowl was total bullshit but this one was not.

[Santee]

For myself.... hating on the Donkeys. But in recent years I would have to say the Chargettes. Rivers is a punk. I dont recall another athlete rubbing me the way he does. Its payback time this year people!!!!

[SONIC]

The last Steelers Super Bowl was total bullshit but this one was not.

I have to disagree with you, there were 3 questionable personal foul calls on the same 3rd quarter drive. There was no review of the final play, which was reviewed a "fumble" & ruled in favor of the Steelers by the refs. Let's not forget that during Harrison's return for a touchdown at Halftime, Kurt Warner would've been able to make the touchdown-saving tackle had his jersey not been held & grabbed by another Steeler

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I have to disagree with you, there were 3 questionable personal foul calls on the same 3rd quarter drive. There was no review of the final play, which was reviewed a "fumble" & ruled in favor of the Steelers by the refs. Let's not forget that during Harrison's return for a touchdown at Halftime, Kurt Warner would've been able to make the touchdown-saving tackle had his jersey not been held & grabbed by another Steeler

You must have been one of these Raiders fans who adopted the Cardinals because they got sappy for Kurt Warner's story...

By the way, if you said GO CARDINALS without having money on the game, F U.

First off, holding and grabbing happens on every single down in the NFL. Second off, the refs aren't going to stop one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history on the assumption that KURT WARNER (that's old white man QB Kurt Warner) was going to bring down JAMES HARRISON (that's large athletic linebacker James Harrison).

The final play of the game was a fumble. If it was reviewed, it would have been a fumble. I guess you weren't around before 2002 or you would definitely know the tuck rule by now. Warner's arm never went forward with the ball in it, and even if they rule AZ ball, they have one play to score a really really deep touchdown against one of the three best defenses in NFL history.

BTW, the Steelers got hosed on some calls too, but I guess you don't notice them when you're wearing red jerseys and praying for Kurt Warner.

[SONIC]

You must have been one of these Raiders fans who adopted the Cardinals because they got sappy for Kurt Warner's story...

By the way, if you said GO CARDINALS without having money on the game, F U.

First off, holding and grabbing happens on every single down in the NFL. Second off, the refs aren't going to stop one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history on the assumption that KURT WARNER (that's old white man QB Kurt Warner) was going to bring down JAMES HARRISON (that's large athletic linebacker James Harrison).

The final play of the game was a fumble. If it was reviewed, it would have been a fumble. I guess you weren't around before 2002 or you would definitely know the tuck rule by now. Warner's arm never went forward with the ball in it, and even if they rule AZ ball, they have one play to score a really really deep touchdown against one of the three best defenses in NFL history.

BTW, the Steelers got hosed on some calls too, but I guess you don't notice them when you're wearing red jerseys and praying for Kurt Warner.

You have to stop being so abrasive. I NEVER cheered for the Cards because I felt sorry for Kurt Warner. I cheered for them because I have always hated the Steelers, number one, & number two I wanted no part of seeing them win a 6th Super Bowl. I wasn't even wearing a Cards jersey. And what business is it of yours to tell me who to cheer for on which game? I would say more to you but this isn't the thread to do it in. By the way, I have been around & I know the Tuck Rule.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

You have to stop being so abrasive. I NEVER cheered for the Cards because I felt sorry for Kurt Warner. I cheered for them because I have always hated the Steelers, number one, & number two I wanted no part of seeing them win a 6th Super Bowl. I wasn't even wearing a Cards jersey. And what business is it of yours to tell me who to cheer for on which game? I would say more to you but this isn't the thread to do it in. By the way, I have been around & I know the Tuck Rule.

So if you know the tuck, you wouldn't whine about that last play.

I'm a Raiders fan. I really don't care who wins. I'd rather the Steelers have it than the bullshit Arizona bandwagon anyway.

[GenRaider]

in 2005 when Pitt played Seattle they had a crucial call go their way late in the game. However, like Hill stated, this past season they won the game fair and square. I think both teams got away with some things.. Yet at the end of the day, PITT made more plays. Arizona had a chance to win it, but their D got its ass handed to them during the last drive. PITT converted two key third downs, and ARIZONA allowed Holmes to get a lot of YAC during that last drive...

And really, Zona does not have a following... I only wanted them to win for the fact that PITT already had 5 rings.

[TAPE]

yea, I really didnt want Pitt getting a 6th ring.

you cant tell a Pitt fan a fucking thing, they r def at the top of the food chain.

Art Rooney is 10 x's the owner Al Davis is.

[GenRaider]

yea, I really didnt want Pitt getting a 6th ring.

you cant tell a Pitt fan a fucking thing, they r def at the top of the food chain.

Art Rooney is 10 x's the owner Al Davis is.

That's bit of an exaggeration. I just think that Rooney is more patient with coaches and their are other people in that organization who makes him look extremely good (nothing wrong with that...) He is similar to what Buss is doing in LA, very similar.

I look at Davis in terms of not just what he does for the team but what he has done for the league.

[SONIC]

So if you know the tuck, you wouldn't whine about that last play.

I'm a Raiders fan. I really don't care who wins. I'd rather the Steelers have it than the bullshit Arizona bandwagon anyway.

And what about you crying over the fact that I was cheering for the Cards instead of the Steelers like you were, even saying I had a Cards jersey & felt sorry for Kurt when you weren't with me at the time of the Super Bowl...And yet you label my view of the fumble as a bad call, whining? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Besides, if it really WAS a fumble, the refs should've taken time to REVIEW to make sure they got the call right. It's the Super Bowl, no team wants to get screwed out of a Super Bowl victory because of bad calls here and there.

What about James Harrison at one play punching a Cardinal player a couple of times, he should've been thrown out of the game. What about Santonio Holmes using the ball and heaving it in the air ala LeBron James when he scored that game-winning TD? That should've been illegal celebration & 15 yards on kickoff, no flags were thrown for both of them.

[Big Game Geoff]

in 2005 when Pitt played Seattle they had a crucial call go their way late in the game. However, like Hill stated, this past season they won the game fair and square. I think both teams got away with some things.. Yet at the end of the day, PITT made more plays. Arizona had a chance to win it, but their D got its ass handed to them during the last drive. PITT converted two key third downs, and ARIZONA allowed Holmes to get a lot of YAC during that last drive...

And really, Zona does not have a following... I only wanted them to win for the fact that PITT already had 5 rings.

That Pittsburgh/Seattle Bowl was a one-sided job by the zeebs, and the Pittsburgh/Arizona Bowl wasn't much different...

[TAPE]

That's bit of an exaggeration. I just think that Rooney is more patient with coaches and their are other people in that organization who makes him look extremely good (nothing wrong with that...) He is similar to what Buss is doing in LA, very similar.

I look at Davis in terms of not just what he does for the team but what he has done for the league.

Yea thats fine... Al has done some revolutionary things. But that isn't enough to hang your hat on when it comes down to the real issue at hand..

The man hasn't done shit in 6 years. He struck the odds in 98-2002 during the Gruden era Before that was a dismal 15 year stretch with a few decent years peppered in between.

When I say Rooney is 10 x's the owner Al is, I am saying it from a functional standpoint not reflective.

[GenRaider]

Yea thats fine... Al has done some revolutionary things. But that isn't enough to hang your hat on when it comes down to the real issue at hand..

The man hasn't done shit in 6 years. He struck the odds in 98-2002 during the Gruden era Before that was a dismal 15 year stretch with a few decent years peppered in between.

When I say Rooney is 10 x's the owner Al is, I am saying it from a functional standpoint not reflective.

I don't even agree from a functional standpoint that Rooney is ten times the owner. Remember PITT had been in a super bowl drought for 20+ years prior to 2005..

PITT has won on a more consistent basis since the 90s (remember what Pitt was liked during the 80s.)...

Still, with me, I look at everything, not just football. I look at impacts on the game, social ramification, etc...

[Doyers y Esleigher]

And what about you crying over the fact that I was cheering for the Cards instead of the Steelers like you were, even saying I had a Cards jersey & felt sorry for Kurt when you weren't with me at the time of the Super Bowl...And yet you label my view of the fumble as a bad call, whining? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I wasn't CHEERING for the Steelers. I don't cheer for other teams.

Besides, if it really WAS a fumble, the refs should've taken time to REVIEW to make sure they got the call right. It's the Super Bowl, no team wants to get screwed out of a Super Bowl victory because of bad calls here and there.

Are you saying Arizona would have gotten a 50+ yard touchdown on the next play?

It should have been reviewed but look at the replay, it was a fumble. The call was still correct. Therefore, no one got screwed.

What about James Harrison at one play punching a Cardinal player a couple of times, he should've been thrown out of the game.

WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!

Are you a Raiders fan? You know how many games the Raiders won by getting away with cheap shots and punches like that? Cheating happens on every NFL play.

What about Santonio Holmes using the ball and heaving it in the air ala LeBron James when he scored that game-winning TD? That should've been illegal celebration & 15 yards on kickoff, no flags were thrown for both of them.

AAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA You're going to call an illegal celebration for celebrating a touchdown with under a minute left in the SUPER BOWL??? Seriously? Wow. No ref in his right mind makes that call. If that happened to the Raiders, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

And yeah, when it comes to running a functional football organization, it's the Rooneys and then everyone else.

[silver & black]

And yeah, when it comes to running a functional football organization, it's the Rooneys and then everyone else.

I couldn't agree more with that. Hate the Steelers all you want, the Rooneys know what they are doing... six Superbowl wins can't be denied.

[FilipinoRaider]

I couldn't agree more with that. Hate the Steelers all you want, the Rooneys know what they are doing... six Superbowl wins can't be denied.

As much as I hate to admit it, the Rooneys do run a consistently good program. I would never tell one of these moronic new comer Steelers fans that.

[silver & black]

That's bit of an exaggeration. I just think that Rooney is more patient with coaches and their are other people in that organization who makes him look extremely good (nothing wrong with that...) He is similar to what Buss is doing in LA, very similar.

I look at Davis in terms of not just what he does for the team but what he has done for the league.


I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, I have to say... fuck what he has done for the league (at this point)... how about doing for your own team... and your loyal fans!!!???

[cheapshotartist]

I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, I have to say... fuck what he has done for the league (at this point)... how about doing for your own team... and your loyal fans!!!???


I agree silver & black the reason we are in the fucked up condition we are in now is because of Al's bull:shit:ing ass way of running this organization. Everybody knows what Al has done in the past and I'm tired of hearing that :shit:. What is he doing now? We just passed on two franchise LT's, a stud defensive tackle and two outstanding WR's to draft another project with blazing speed who has "problems" catching the ball. Think about that for a minute, we used our first pick in the draft on a WR who has problems catching the ball! We still have the same ass weak front seven on defense and our safety's still suck. I don't want to hear :shit: about Mitchell's ass because he has not played one down in the NFL and what he did in college don't mean :shit: until he does it in the NFL. I wish Al would just relax and hire a Director of Football Operations who in turn would hire a General Manager who in turn would hire a veteran NFL Head Coach or a up and coming NFL assistant as Head Coach and let the new HC hire his entire staff. I'm not sold on Cable's :shit: talking ass. Win some games then start talking.

[SONIC]

You know what Hill, it is just very typical of you. You make such a HUGE FUCKING ISSUE over who cheers for who. I appreciate your takes, but you can do it without talking down to people, like you do all the time when someone doesn't agree with your views 100%.

I was not gonna say this because I didn't want to hijack the thread but it is time for you to take a Reality Check. People have the right to cheer or boo any team in any sport & at any moment they want (i.e. cheering for Arizona to win Super Bowl XLIII) and people have the right to say anything THEY, not YOU, see fit about anything that goes on. Your Keyboard Cop attitude has been old for a long time & it is time for you to grow up.

[FilipinoRaider]

You must have been one of these Raiders fans who adopted the Cardinals because they got sappy for Kurt Warner's story...

By the way, if you said GO CARDINALS without having money on the game, F U.

First off, holding and grabbing happens on every single down in the NFL. Second off, the refs aren't going to stop one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history on the assumption that KURT WARNER (that's old white man QB Kurt Warner) was going to bring down JAMES HARRISON (that's large athletic linebacker James Harrison).

The final play of the game was a fumble. If it was reviewed, it would have been a fumble. I guess you weren't around before 2002 or you would definitely know the tuck rule by now. Warner's arm never went forward with the ball in it, and even if they rule AZ ball, they have one play to score a really really deep touchdown against one of the three best defenses in NFL history.

BTW, the Steelers got hosed on some calls too, but I guess you don't notice them when you're wearing red jerseys and praying for Kurt Warner.

I was pulling for Arizona but not for Kurt Warner (I can't stand him). I didn't want to see the Steelers being the only team with 6 SB's, shit I didn't want to see them get that 5th one either.

But the Cards shot themselves in the foot with that decision to get 7 instead of 3 before the half and that turnover became 7 points for Pittsburgh.

[GenRaider]

You know what Hill, it is just very typical of you. You make such a HUGE FUCKING ISSUE over who cheers for who. I appreciate your takes, but you can do it without talking down to people, like you do all the time when someone doesn't agree with your views 100%.

I was not gonna say this because I didn't want to hijack the thread but it is time for you to take a Reality Check. People have the right to cheer or boo any team in any sport & at any moment they want (i.e. cheering for Arizona to win Super Bowl XLIII) and people have the right to say anything THEY, not YOU, see fit about anything that goes on. Your Keyboard Cop attitude has been old for a long time & it is time for you to grow up.

F--- OFF!

Grow a pair of sacks, son. If you don't like Hills opinion than ignore it.

[FilipinoRaider]

F--- OFF!

Grow a pair of sacks, son. If you don't like Hills opinion than ignore it.

I'm glad you didn't respond to me that way when I said a few things to Hill.....LOL!!!

Hill doesn't offend me, he speaks his mind and has his views just like the rest of us. Like I told him, he can be a cock wad but I'm a douche bag and me telling him that was just a douche bag confronting a cock wad...LMAO!!!!

[Jenny]

me telling him that was just a douche bag confronting a cock wad...LMAO!!!!

A DB vs. CW confrontation.... That sounds like it could get messy. :huh:

[FilipinoRaider]

A DB vs. CW confrontation.... That sounds like it could get messy. :huh:

Hahahahahahahaha!

[GenRaider]

I'm glad you didn't respond to me that way when I said a few things to Hill.....LOL!!!

Hill doesn't offend me, he speaks his mind and has his views just like the rest of us. Like I told him, he can be a cock wad but I'm a douche bag and me telling him that was just a douche bag confronting a cock wad...LMAO!!!!

Different situations. The shit-stirrer needs to stop being so damn sensitive.

[cheapshotartist]

F--- OFF!

Grow a pair of sacks, son. If you don't like Hills opinion than ignore it.

Agreed. That's just what I did If you have issues with someone hit the ignore botton. I never though I would use it here but I did, it should be the last time.
:csa:

[Doyers y Esleigher]

You know what Hill, it is just very typical of you. You make such a HUGE FUCKING ISSUE over who cheers for who. I appreciate your takes, but you can do it without talking down to people, like you do all the time when someone doesn't agree with your views 100%.

I was not gonna say this because I didn't want to hijack the thread but it is time for you to take a Reality Check. People have the right to cheer or boo any team in any sport & at any moment they want (i.e. cheering for Arizona to win Super Bowl XLIII) and people have the right to say anything THEY, not YOU, see fit about anything that goes on. Your Keyboard Cop attitude has been old for a long time & it is time for you to grow up.

Cheering for another team like you would your own is just as bad as being a bandwagon fan. It's cool to have a pick but damn, don't forget you're a Raiders fan.

I wouldn't even be giving you shit, except it's obvious you were cheering hard for the Cardinals because the clouds in your judgement (as it pertains to what happened in the game) are blatant. If you said "I was cheering for the Cards" and had a somewhat level take on the game, I probably wouldn't give you shit, but you're acting like the shit was fixed because of a correct fumble call, a non-called excessive celebration on the game winning touchdown of the Super Bowl, and the assumption that Kurt Warner can tackle James Harrison. Tell me these aren't arguments homer fans normally make.

Oh, and this line in particular...

people have the right to say anything THEY, not YOU, see fit about anything that goes on.

Yes they do. And when what they say is simply not factual, I have the right to tell them that. You knew your feelings wouldn't be coddled when you signed up here. You knew if you said something stupid or untrue, you'd be ripped for it. This happens to everyone, even me, so get off your high horse and quit being a pussy.

[chitown]

You know what Hill, it is just very typical of you. You make such a HUGE FUCKING ISSUE over who cheers for who. I appreciate your takes, but you can do it without talking down to people, like you do all the time when someone doesn't agree with your views 100%.

I was not gonna say this because I didn't want to hijack the thread but it is time for you to take a Reality Check. People have the right to cheer or boo any team in any sport & at any moment they want (i.e. cheering for Arizona to win Super Bowl XLIII) and people have the right to say anything THEY, not YOU, see fit about anything that goes on. Your Keyboard Cop attitude has been old for a long time & it is time for you to grow up.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j126/ChitownR8dr/mcdonalds_fail-12853.jpg

[Don]

I kind of hoped the Cards would prevent the Stoolers from a 6th ring, but I wasnt stupid enough to not put my money on Pitt. I walked away $160 richer, so fuck it.

BTW Ronald McDonald looks high as a motha right there.

[FilipinoRaider]

Cheering for another team like you would your own is just as bad as being a bandwagon fan. It's cool to have a pick but damn, don't forget you're a Raiders fan.

I wouldn't even be giving you shit, except it's obvious you were cheering hard for the Cardinals because the clouds in your judgement (as it pertains to what happened in the game) are blatant. If you said "I was cheering for the Cards" and had a somewhat level take on the game, I probably wouldn't give you shit, but you're acting like the shit was fixed because of a correct fumble call, a non-called excessive celebration on the game winning touchdown of the Super Bowl, and the assumption that Kurt Warner can tackle James Harrison. Tell me these aren't arguments homer fans normally make.

Oh, and this line in particular...



Yes they do. And when what they say is simply not factual, I have the right to tell them that. You knew your feelings wouldn't be coddled when you signed up here. You knew if you said something stupid or untrue, you'd be ripped for it. This happens to everyone, even me, so get off your high horse and quit being a pussy.

Well said cock wad! Hahahahahahahaah

[CrizpyNutz]

This one is easy:

KC Chiefs
Philadelphia Eagles
Denver Broncos
SD Chargers
SF 49ers
NE Patriots

As for the rooting for other teams....meh, I don't bet on sports generally, so If I root for a team, it's often because I hate the other team, not cause I "like" one or the other. I didn't root for anyone to win the Super Bowl, but I can say I prefered that the Cards to beat Shittsburgh, cause....well, I hate those damned Sqeelers - even if I do respect their organization. Brenda Warner can take his ass back to baggin groceries for all I care.

[or24]

Broncos for me, followed by whoever the next best team is in our division besides us, which right now is SD. Now that Cutler is gone I dont hate them as much as I did though.

Players I dont like include Cutler, M. Hasselbeck, Jerry Porter, R. Moss, E. Manning, B. Favre, and probably a couple more i forgot.

[SONIC]

Cheering for another team like you would your own is just as bad as being a bandwagon fan. It's cool to have a pick but damn, don't forget you're a Raiders fan.

Like I said, I wasn't cheering for the Cards as if they were my own, I just wanted them to win because I didn't want to see the Steelers win their 6th Super Bowl, not to mention I have never liked them to begin with.

I wouldn't even be giving you shit, except it's obvious you were cheering hard for the Cardinals because the clouds in your judgement (as it pertains to what happened in the game) are blatant. If you said "I was cheering for the Cards" and had a somewhat level take on the game, I probably wouldn't give you shit, but you're acting like the shit was fixed because of a correct fumble call, a non-called excessive celebration on the game winning touchdown of the Super Bowl, and the assumption that Kurt Warner can tackle James Harrison. Tell me these aren't arguments homer fans normally make.

Steeler fans/homers/etc. would also say stuff like what you are saying here AGAINST the Cards, what makes that any different?

Yes they do. And when what they say is simply not factual, I have the right to tell them that. You knew your feelings wouldn't be coddled when you signed up here. You knew if you said something stupid or untrue, you'd be ripped for it. This happens to everyone, even me, so get off your high horse and quit being a pussy.

If there is anybody on a high horse it is you. I also have the right to agree or disagree with you whenever I see fit. However, when I told you MY opinions regarding the calls, YOU decided to resort to talking down to me. Which is no better than how I reacted to your condescending posts.

[SONIC]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j126/ChitownR8dr/mcdonalds_fail-12853.jpg

You can say whatever you want, you will never get to me.

[SONIC]

Different situations. The shit-stirrer needs to stop being so damn sensitive.

How is what I said in here stirring shit? Hill has a right to his opinions, I have a right to my opinions, everybody has one, including you. It's when you get on my ass for having an opinion different than you or others that is a completely different matter altogether.

[FilipinoRaider]

How is what I said in here stirring shit? Hill has a right to his opinions, I have a right to my opinions, everybody has one, including you. It's when you get on my ass for having an opinion different than you or others that is a completely different matter altogether.

It's different because you have shown that you are extra sensitive. That's why.

[Jake]

You can say whatever you want, you will never get to me.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones....." :neener:

[Jake]

Sonic stop being such a pussy dude. You're scaring the chicks away.

[FilipinoRaider]

sonic stop being such a pussy dude. You're scaring the chicks away.

lmfao!!!!

[GenRaider]

How is what I said in here stirring shit? Hill has a right to his opinions, I have a right to my opinions, everybody has one, including you. It's when you get on my ass for having an opinion different than you or others that is a completely different matter altogether.

You have to be one of the biggest and most sensitive "Raider" I have ever come across on the net. You are a known shit stirrer... Not just here, blood, but throughout many different internet functions.. I don't have time to use examples but your body of work speaks for itself. I already know your game, son...

Stop coming across as a such a sensitive wad every time you get blasted (and rightfully so) with some of the generic type of posts which are made....

People have the right to an opinion, but you better fucking bet on the dollar that people will get blasted with them make generic remarks.

This place is called Outlawzs for a motherfuckin' reason.

A

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Like I said, I wasn't cheering for the Cards as if they were my own, I just wanted them to win because I didn't want to see the Steelers win their 6th Super Bowl, not to mention I have never liked them to begin with.

So why are you so blind to good calls? And why do you want excessive celebration flagged with less than a minute in the Super Bowl? If that stuff happened to the Raiders you'd be furious.

Steeler fans/homers/etc. would also say stuff like what you are saying here AGAINST the Cards, what makes that any different?

I had no vested rooting interest in the game and you did. I didn't make false statements about the validity of calls and you did.

If there is anybody on a high horse it is you. I also have the right to agree or disagree with you whenever I see fit. However, when I told you MY opinions regarding the calls, YOU decided to resort to talking down to me. Which is no better than how I reacted to your condescending posts.

Here's your problem: while you have the right to agree or disagree, your opinion is based on FALSE PRETENSES. You gave the opinion that the Steelers had the Super Bowl handed to them by the refs. When asked to justify that opinion, you gave bullshit reasons. Your entire theory was predicated on three things: Kurt Warner being able to catch up to and tackle James Harrison, NFL officials flagging a ball spike on a top 5 catch in Super Bowl history, and the Cardinals being able to convert one impossibly long play against a top 5 defense in NFL history (assuming the refs would overturn the fumble, which they wouldn't because it WAS A CORRECTLY CALLED FUMBLE).

It's time for class and Sonic Raider is today's student.

First: here's a video of the fumble with the head of NFL officiating explaining that the play was actually reviewed. As you can clearly see, while it looks like Warner's arm moves forward before the fumble, the defender makes contact with the ball prior to the arm motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IqJA9QbfXg

Second, I'd like to explain what an opinion is.

o⋅pin⋅ion  [uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA
Use opinion in a Sentence
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.

That's all an opinion is. Having one is not a big deal, therefore your opinion is not some golden goose everyone has to protect. You love this "THAT'S MY OPINION YOU HAVE YOURS" act, as if by posting on a discussion board, we are not allowed to critique and rip the opinions of others. When an opinion is not based in any kind of fact or reality, we can rip it all we want. Either defend your opinion or bow out like a bitch, but don't go running behind daddy's leg and tug on his pants. "THE BIG BAD GUY ON THE RAIDER WEBSITE SAID I'M AN IDIOT." Grow up.

EDIT: I just remembered an old Maddox column about this and wanted to post the pic/quote.

"Well that's just your opinion:" This one pisses me off just thinking about it. If you slit my throat right now you'd get shot in the eye with boiling blood. Any time you say something sucks around someone who disagrees, they try to validate their taste in shitty music/movies/clothing by reminding you that you still only speak for yourself, as if their opinions are in jeopardy of being monopolized by your own. Everyone already knows it's my opinion by virtue of the fact that I said it, no need to restate the obvious you dopey twat.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood

[GenRaider]

It's different because you have shown that you are extra sensitive. That's why.

He has some Niner blood in him.

[Sonny Cheeba]

Either defend your opinion or bow out like a bitch, but don't go running behind daddy's leg and tug on his pants. "THE BIG BAD GUY ON THE RAIDER WEBSITE SAID I'M AN IDIOT." Grow up.
LMAO! :wha:

[FilipinoRaider]

He has some Niner blood in him.

I'm tired of that dude playing the innocent role! He went on for 6 months about Skulls, he posts his most inner feelings and "special needs problems" on the net on every fucking Raider forum known to man and then he gets his panties all wadded up when somebody doesn't pitty him!

He sent me a pm, calling me a stalker and told me to leave him alone! hahahaha!!!

Seriously Sonic, you need to smoke some weed or something, because your estrogen levels are waaaaaaay to high!

[GenRaider]

I'm tired of that dude playing the innocent role! He went on for 6 months about Skulls, he posts his most inner feelings and "special needs problems" on the net on every fucking Raider forum known to man and then he gets his panties all wadded up when somebody doesn't pitty him!

He sent me a pm, calling me a stalker and told me to leave him alone! hahahaha!!!

Seriously Sonic, you need to smoke some weed or something, because your estrogen levels are waaaaaaay to high!

He post something about Skulls? LMAO. Skulls is one of my boys....

Dude gets his twat all wet when he gets called on his shit... I'm not going to be civil anymore.

Fuck weed. Dude need some purple and a bottle of Hennesey.

[Sonny Cheeba]

He post something about Skulls? LMAO. Skulls is one of my boys....

Dude gets his twat all wet when he gets called on his shit... I'm not going to be civil anymore.

Fuck weed. Dude need some purple and a bottle of Hennesey.
And a woman.

[GenRaider]

And a woman.

A woman. Or at least bang some chic.

[Jake]

A woman. Or at least bang some chic.

I gotta 5 spot on a hooker.

[FilipinoRaider]

He post something about Skulls? LMAO. Skulls is one of my boys....

Dude gets his twat all wet when he gets called on his shit... I'm not going to be civil anymore.

Fuck weed. Dude need some purple and a bottle of Hennesey.

Yeah, he got all butt hurt when Skulls denied him as a friend on myspace and he cried and moaned about it for 6 months.

BTW, did you see his thread on the other Raiders forum? He was asking for charity from the members so he can go to Oakland for a game!

[Sonny Cheeba]

I gotta 5 spot on a hooker.
Let's all pool some money together.

Yo Bump you're in Jersey, so it's let's put you in charge of this. Go head out to Sonic's pad and take him out. :rofl

[FilipinoRaider]

A woman. Or at least bang some chic.

Naw, he needs one of those manly type of gals!

[TAPE]

I gotta 5 spot on a hooker.

Im sure Attyla will serve the cause for charity. save your 5 bucks

[FilipinoRaider]

^^ Let's all pool some money together.

Yo Bump you're in Jersey, so it's let's put you in charge of this. Go head out to Sonic's pad and take him out. :rofl

I couldn't fucking believe it! That mother fucker had the nerve to ask for charity, knowing damn well that we are all affected by the horrible economy!

[TAPE]

Let's all pool some money together.

Yo Bump you're in Jersey, so it's let's put you in charge of this. Go head out to Sonic's pad and take him out. :rofl

correction Im in NORTH jersey....

Sonic is in SOUTH jersey...

my boy got a pretty nice black book... I can send a chick to his house... We will know once his posts start sounding less uptight and sociopath-like

[FilipinoRaider]

correction Im in NORTH jersey....

Sonic is in SOUTH jersey...

my boy got a pretty nice black book... I can send a chick to his house... We will know once his posts start sounding less uptight and sociopath-like

It will take more than one girl to unscrew that nut!

[Jake]

"Mz Caution" looks like his type
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ads/1242269363.html

Somebody call for a quote.

[GenRaider]

Yeah, he got all butt hurt when Skulls denied him as a friend on myspace and he cried and moaned about it for 6 months.

BTW, did you see his thread on the other Raiders forum? He was asking for charity from the members so he can go to Oakland for a game!

Yeah, I saw that thread on Raidersideline... LOL. I actually offer to help him out with a ticket if needed one (Season tix holder...) shit, i'll still help him get one but i'm not sure if he would want to come to Oakland, especially after the shit talking he has been doing to some of my other peeps.

[GenRaider]

I gotta 5 spot on a hooker.

I got 10 bucks, yo. Yo, he may be able to get a BJ off of international for 10...

[blackhole fred]

Afc west!

[Miklo]

Was the Broncos until I moved to SD. Getting rid of Cutler does make me hate them less, for now at least. Now I fuckin hate the Chargers with a passion. My Chargers friends have been fans for 5-6 years tops. 95% of fans in SD are bandwagoners. I rock my Raiders gear with pride, and when people scoff at me or some shit, I throw it in their fuckin' face.

And Sonic, chill out, bro.