Raider History

[Raiderette619]

I been reading Tom Flores' Book, Tales of the Oakland Raiders
(yes, I been reading it for a while now.lol I been busy)

I'm bad with the Raiders History but interested in learning. I've learned some stuff that some of you know I'm sure but none the less interesting and new to me.


I thought we could share some Raider History w/one another here.

[LB_RA¹Ð³R]

Love Raider History! always interested to know more

You should Check out the DVD's of The Complete History Of The Oakland Raiders! pretty cool lot's of info

[Raiderette619]

^^^ yeah I been wanting 2 get those and watch them. I wish Jimi would come over here he always had sum good vid clips too.

[BlackHeart]

Just take your time with it J....

[-GG-]

If you read something interesting and/or didnt know about from that Flores book, R619, can you post it here, plz?

[Raiderette619]

Just take your time with it J....

for sure BH! :)

If you read something interesting and/or didnt know about from that Flores book, R619, can you post it here, plz?

Will do GG...I was gonna do that I just made this thread and then had to leave after.

One thing I didn't know was they were gonna be called the Senors. LOL I can't imagine rooting for a team w/that name.

Also that they used to practice at the Alameda Naval Base.

[cheapshotartist]

^^^ yeah I been wanting 2 get those and watch them. I wish Jimi would come over here he always had sum good vid clips too.

Check out Amazon I got all my Raider DVD's through them for a good price. The History of the Oakland Raiders is the bomb. Check out how the defense use to hit back in the day. With all the rule changes the NFL is getting real soft. Also see If you can pick up a copy of John Maddens book "One Knee Equals Two Feet". This is a outstanding book about Raider football and the old players. The book is out of print but I got mind on Amazon.
:csa:

[Raiderette619]

Thanks CSA. I will definitely look into getting those. I did find the book on amazon so imma order it. Ill look for the DVD's.
I've heard all you guys talk about how things used to be so different in the past and the rules have so much of the game.

[Jake]

On the book subject, I'll recommend Slick:the silver and black life of Al Davis Whether you like him or not he is the Raiders and you don't really know the Raiders full History till you know about the man himself. Check it out 619.

[Raiderette619]

On the book subject, I'll recommend Slick:the silver and black life of Al Davis Whether you like him or not he is the Raiders and you don't really know the Raiders full History till you know about the man himself. Check it out 619.

Thanks Jake.will do
and you are right about Al

[DED]

My fav book is "They Call me Assassin: Jack Tatum"

[cheapshotartist]

My fav book is "They Call me Assassin: Jack Tatum"

Great book after you read it you want to go outside and f**k someone up. :csa:

[DED]

Haha yeah^^

[Sonny Cheeba]

My fav book is "They Call me Assassin: Jack Tatum"
Yeah I was just watching some old highlights of Tatum and I had to change my avi. :beer:

That dude was a bad ass and he wasn't afraid to knock people the fuck out. Nowadays you ain't allowed to hit the way he hit back then.

[Skern]

Please someone help me out on this. I've been arguing with someone about this for the past couple days now. He tells me the Raiders were in San Diego for one year in the AFL days. He said they weren't named the Raiders at the time so I look up the Senòres and still I find nothing about them Being in San Diego. He argues it non stop but I still see no proof any where on the net. So please clear this up for me, ANYONE! I'm about to go postal soon :nanagun

[Raiderette619]

Please someone help me out on this. I've been arguing with someone about this for the past couple days now. He tells me the Raiders were in San Diego for one year in the AFL days. He said they weren't named the Raiders at the time so I look up the Senòres and still I find nothing about them Being in San Diego. He argues it non stop but I still see no proof any where on the net. So please clear this up for me, ANYONE! I'm about to go postal soon :nanagun

papafred says yes to this...but I dunno. I haven't searched
it was Senor's not Senores btw

[Skern]

papafred says yes to this...but I dunno. I haven't searched
it was Senor's not Senores btw

Thats funny cause I asked him the other day and talked to him today and he said no LOL.

Really? Well thats how they spelled it on this website.

http://www.conigliofamily.com/Raiders.htm

Guess I'll go search under Senor's. Thanks

[Raiderette619]

Thats funny cause I asked him the other day and talked to him today and he said no LOL.

Really? Well thats how they spelled it on this website.

http://www.conigliofamily.com/Raiders.htm

Guess I'll go search under Senor's. Thanks


really?? I thought he told me yes...I guess I'm wrong
dude..I'm talking in my sleep right now...never mind..don't mind me
I'm outs! lMAO
:hide:

[GenRaider]

No, the Raiders NEVER played in SD.

In case the guy you are debating with does not believe you, here is a very formal Raider website which talks about the entire history... I'm working on a history of the Raiders for another site that my friend is running..

http://www.raidersonline.org/raiders-history.php

Key points: they were awarded a team because the owner of the LA CHARGERS wanted another west coast team. They played in two different stadiums before going to the HOT... They were name the Oakland Senors based on a newspaper contest, but the name later changed to the Raiders for obvious reasons.

[Raiderette619]

No, the Raiders NEVER played in SD.

In case the guy you are debating with does not believe you, here is a very formal Raider website which talks about the entire history... I'm working on a history of the Raiders for another site that my friend is running..

http://www.raidersonline.org/raiders-history.php

Key points: they were awarded a team because the owner of the LA CHARGERS wanted another west coast team. They played in two different stadiums before going to the HOT... They were name the Oakland Senors based on a newspaper contest, but the name later changed to the Raiders for obvious reasons.


Good stuff Gen!
imma check this out tomorrow more in detail....i'm zombie mode right now.

[Skern]

No, the Raiders NEVER played in SD.

In case the guy you are debating with does not believe you, here is a very formal Raider website which talks about the entire history... I'm working on a history of the Raiders for another site that my friend is running..

http://www.raidersonline.org/raiders-history.php

Key points: they were awarded a team because the owner of the LA CHARGERS wanted another west coast team. They played in two different stadiums before going to the HOT... They were name the Oakland Senors based on a newspaper contest, but the name later changed to the Raiders for obvious reasons.


Do you know Teddawg from myspace? He's not the one I'm arguing with but the person I'm arguing with got the info from him. So I double checked with Teddawg and he said yeah they were. Told me to google and and I found nothing.

Thanks for the info, Gen.

btw whats the "HOT"?

[GenRaider]

No problem, 619. I always love getting into these types of threads..

[GenRaider]

Do you know Teddawg from myspace? He's not the one I'm arguing with but the person I'm arguing with got the info from him. So I double checked with Teddawg and he said yeah they were. Told me to google and and I found nothing.

Thanks for the info, Gen.

btw whats the "HOT"?


I'm not doubting Teddawg's source or info (I know him, met him couple times at the Raider game), but I would be interesting in finding out A)what year did they play in SD B), why did they play their and such. There are a lot of credible raider sites. Lemme double check my sources..

[GenRaider]

Another website which backs up the point I was making.

http://www.allraiders.com/history/stadiums/index.php

[GenRaider]

The H.O.T. stands for House of Thrills, a nickname that a lot of fans have used..

[GenRaider]

And another site which rebutes the idea of Oakland playing in SD during the AFL Days (1960-1969).

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/team.jsp?franchise_id=23

[GenRaider]

And another site:

http://www.historymania.com/american_history/Oakland_Raiders

[Skern]

Thanks a lot Gen

[Don]

The Raiders started their first two years playing at Kezar in SF and at the Stick. Then in Oakland at Frank Youell Field for two years while the "state of the art" lol HOT was being built.. They were supposed to originally land in Minnesota or Atlanta.


http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/oakland/raiders.html
Historical Moments:
1960: Originally slated to play in Minnesota the AFL's 8th original franchise was forced to look for another home after a deal with Minnesota fell through. After briefly flirting with Atlanta it was decided to put the new team in the Bay Area. The Oakland Raiders, led by Coach Eddie Erdelatz played their first game ever at San Francisco's Kezar Stadium on September 11th where they lost to the Houston Oilers by a score of 37-22. Two weeks later in a rematch at Houston the Raiders got their first win by a score of 14-13. The Raiders would finish their first season in financial peril with a 6-8 record.

1961: After losing their first 2 games by a combined score of 99-0 Eddie Erdelatz is fired and replaced by Marty Feldman. Under Feldman the Raiders would not do much better winning just twice on the way to a woeful 2-12 season.

1962: After playing their first 2 seasons in San Francisco stadiums (Kezar Stadium and Candlestick Park), the Raiders finally find a home in Oakland, as they agree to play in a converted high school stadium named after an undertaker Frank Youell Field. However, the change of address did not help as they lost their first 5 games before Coach Marty Feldman is fired. Under his replacement Red Conkright the Raiders would continue to struggle losing their next 8 before beating the Boston Patriots 20-0 in Oakland in the season finale to finish with an awful 1-13 record.

1963: The Raiders hire San Diego Chargers assistant Al Davis as their new Coach and General Manager. His first move is to give the team a new look, as they take the field in silver and black uniforms. The new look would work wonders as the Raiders won their first game over the Oilers in Houston 24-13. The Raiders would also win their 2nd game a week later, but a 4 game losing streak would quickly have them crashing back to earth. However, the Raiders would recover and would win their last 8 games to finish with a 10-4 record, as Clem Daniels rushed for 1,099 yards. However, the Raiders would have to settle for 2nd place, despite sweeping the first place Chargers.

[GenRaider]

Minnesota bailed out and went to the NFL, then the AFL was looking for an 8th team and try to go to Atlanta. Finally they went with Oakland, however, as stated previously, the old owner of the LA CHARGERS wanted a second west coast team in the AFL and Oakland was a destination. A group of local businessmen and suits, led by ED MGAGH and company got things done. Originally they were called the Senors but that changed shortly after...

They played at Keiser based on fact that Berkeley wanted nothing to do with them, then they went to Candleshit follow by playing at Frank for a couple season. in 65 the HOT was being constructed, I think...

[Candygirl73]

Please someone help me out on this. I've been arguing with someone about this for the past couple days now. He tells me the Raiders were in San Diego for one year in the AFL days. He said they weren't named the Raiders at the time so I look up the Senòres and still I find nothing about them Being in San Diego. He argues it non stop but I still see no proof any where on the net. So please clear this up for me, ANYONE! I'm about to go postal soon :nanagun

I've never heard of the Raiders being in SD but I do know Al was a coach in SD.

[Candygirl73]

Another good book you can read Janette is Jim Otto's "The Pain of Glory".

[Raiderette619]

Another good book you can read Janette is Jim Otto's "The Pain of Glory".

yeah I think you told me that before..sweet! thanks i'll check it out

[Candygirl73]

Pues andale! hahaha

[iceman4444]

Please someone help me out on this. I've been arguing with someone about this for the past couple days now. He tells me the Raiders were in San Diego for one year in the AFL days. He said they weren't named the Raiders at the time so I look up the Senòres and still I find nothing about them Being in San Diego. He argues it non stop but I still see no proof any where on the net. So please clear this up for me, ANYONE! I'm about to go postal soon :nanagun


A lot of people say a lot of things; tell him to prove it.


I didn't exist yet but my dad was a young guy working in Oakland at that time and the Raiders actually we're giving away their tickets to people in restaurants and anyone that would take them when they didn't sell out. My dad got some tickets and went to the first game in Kezar.

One thing the Raiders did do and this may have fooled your friend, is that the Raiders often scrimmaged San Diego because they we're so close to them in location, especially before the season started.

What's funny is that when the AFL decided to choose Oakland, they had no stadium, no buying group, and pretty much no one interested in starting a football team.

[iceman4444]

Ken Stablers book, "snake" was too funny; it talked about the partying, and all of the antics of the players, and the serious side too. Some players weren't happy with Stabler for a while after the book came out.

[Raiderette619]

Pues andale! hahaha
I'm on it I'm on it! hahaa

[iceman4444]

The H.O.T. stands for House of Thrills, a nickname that a lot of fans have used..

The House of Thrills was first coined by the GREAT Curt Gowdy in the 70's; Curt Gowdy started using the name after the Raiders started winning amazing playoff games like the sea of hands game and the playoff win against the Patriots when Stabler scored a last second touchdown.

Many, including many at NFL films still say the sea of hands game was the best in history and it's hard to argue. It was the famous last year of the Dolphins greats and they vowed to beat the Raiders and win another superbowl.

Jim Kick, Larry Csonka, and the great Paul Warfield had already signed for a lot of money with the world football leagues Memphis Southmen and we're leaving the Dolphins.

[GenRaider]

The House of Thrills was first coined by the GREAT Curt Gowdy in the 70's; Curt Gowdy started using the name after the Raiders started winning amazing playoff games like the sea of hands game and the playoff win against the Patriots when Stabler scored a last second touchdown.

Many, including many at NFL films still say the sea of hands game was the best in history and it's hard to argue. It was the famous last year of the Dolphins greats and they vowed to beat the Raiders and win another superbowl.

Jim Kick, Larry Csonka, and the great Paul Warfield had already signed for a lot of money with the world football leagues Memphis Southmen and we're leaving the Dolphins.

Good stuff.

[DED]

Ken Stablers book, "snake" was too funny; it talked about the partying, and all of the antics of the players, and the serious side too. Some players weren't happy with Stabler for a while after the book came out.

I got that one....cover is an upside down Raiders Helmet with beer cans in it. :beer:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/aaronh707/SnakeStabler.jpg?t=1239307652

or:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2206/2443228498_64befca194_m.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/2442433589_f0c4ee129c.jpg?v=0

[Raiderette619]

Check out Amazon I got all my Raider DVD's through them for a good price. The History of the Oakland Raiders is the bomb. Check out how the defense use to hit back in the day. With all the rule changes the NFL is getting real soft. Also see If you can pick up a copy of John Maddens book "One Knee Equals Two Feet". This is a outstanding book about Raider football and the old players. The book is out of print but I got mind on Amazon.
:csa:

oK I just purchased the book on Amazon :)

[cheapshotartist]

oK I just purchased the book on Amazon :)

You will enjoy it. :csa:

[Raiderette619]

My damn book hasn't came yet?! wtf??!!
Imma go log on amazon right now..it's been a week!

[Raiderette619]

Hmm says it should be here between 4/16-5/1
grrr

[cheapshotartist]

Chill out 19 It's coming. :laughing:csa:

[Raiderette619]

Chill out 19 It's coming. :laughing:csa:

I'm an impatient person lol

[East Bay King]

They never played in San Diego. The original owner was Wayne Valley. They used to play in Kezar Stadium. The original logo featured a black helmet and a mustache. They also featured gold in colors. Clint Eastwood shoots the guy in the stadium the Raiders used to play in during the movie "Dirty Harry."

[Raiderette619]

Chill out 19 It's coming. :laughing:csa:

I finally got the book! and I started reading it yesterday. So far it's a really good book. I think I'm going to enjoy the read.
Thanks CSA!

[East Bay King]

This was a good idea for a post. Talkin' and sharin' info about the game and the Raiders. Not just a bunch of bitchin and blamin'

[cheapshotartist]

I finally got the book! and I started reading it yesterday. So far it's a really good book. I think I'm going to enjoy the read.
Thanks CSA!

It's all good 19 you will enjoy how Madden tells those Raider stories. :csa:

[raiderdude69]

Holy motherfucking cow, I CANNOT believe that ANYONE that calls themselves a Raider fan would insist that they EVER played in San Diego.. It's common fucking knowledge that they never did, and for a guy like Teddawg or anyone else that proclaims themselves to be a Raider fan to insist they did pisses me the fuck off..

Sorry, but it just boggles my fucking mind.. BTW, I use Pro-football reference ALOT, and here (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1960_AFL/)it is in black and white, just for shits and giggles.. Maybe they got confused that the Chargettes played their first year in LA before moving to SD, whatever.. It's still inexcusable in my mind as a Raider fan..

[cheapshotartist]

^^WORD! :csa:

[SONIC]

Love Raider History! always interested to know more

You should Check out the DVD's of The Complete History Of The Oakland Raiders! pretty cool lot's of info

Me too, The Complete History of the Oakland Raiders is a great DVD, a definite must-watch. Other good DVDs are the Super Bowl Champions DVD, the America's Game set, and the Raiders Greatest Games DVD (That features all 3 of our Super Bowl-winning games shown in their entirety). They're all great if you want to learn about past players and past moments of Oakland Raider football.

[cheapshotartist]

^^ I have them all and watch them on a regular basis. I miss the way defense was played in the 70's. :csa:

[LB_RA¹Ð³R]

^ I love how Football was in the 70's! When everything raw people getting knocked out, Helmet 2 helmet hits!

[cheapshotartist]

When the Steelers and Raiders played now that was what football is all about. Line up and knock the :shit: out of the mofo in front of you.
:csa: