View Full Version : Raiders to move as trade deadline approaches...
yayarea_raider
10-14-2009, 06:37 PM
Tuesday, October 20th, marks the trade deadline in the NFL, so let's explore what Raiders may be on the block and what trades could help the Raiders now...
read more... (http://tfdssports.com/2009-articles/october/raiders-to-move-as-trade-deadline-approaches.html)
BADNESS
10-14-2009, 06:46 PM
I just have the strangest feeling,rather it's what fans want or not, that Al maybe working on a "blockbuster" trade, and it could be for Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson( who alot of the Nation wanted in the off-season).Somethings up.Maybe a tackle or a receiver...
el boracho
10-14-2009, 06:56 PM
I just hope AL doesnt through away another lower round pick away for a guy like Quinn when we havent seen what Grad or Frye can do. We already lost a 1st rounder in 2011 and we cant afford to be losing anymore.
Tre 6 Months
10-14-2009, 07:09 PM
We only have 5 players with any trade value, & they are players that we need. We got Zach Miller, Michael Bush, Nnamdi Asomugha, Kirk Morrison, & Thomas Howard. And if we trade any of those guys then I'm gonna quit being a Raiders fan. The only exception would be Nnamdi Asomugha, because a shutdown CB isn't winning us any games right now & hasn't been winning us games. We could get a 1st rounder & multiple other picks for him. As much as I would hate to see Asomugha go, we need a lot of good players, not just one that can't help us block or score.
Tre 6 Months
10-14-2009, 07:11 PM
I say Al should use rounds 1 through 3 drafting a new O-line. )we have two 3rd round picks) Right tackle, Right Guard, Center
BADNESS
10-14-2009, 07:14 PM
I say someone else do the drafting.I wish we could hire Jimmy Johnson just for the draft.
DREAM TRADES
Tommy Kelly and/or next year's 1st round pick for Darnell Dockett (the Raiders may be better off trading 2010's first rounder for an established player with how well they have been doing with top 10 picks). Kelly is hot and cold. Dockett is always hot.
Kirk Morrison for Karlos Dansby. Morrison is a stand-up punching bag for offensive-lineman. Dansby is a brick wall they have to try and block, and hits harder than any player the Raiders have.
these aren't "Dream" trades..... they are RETARDED trades....
throw this article in the trash bin.
el boracho
10-14-2009, 07:23 PM
We only have 5 players with any trade value, & they are players that we need. We got Zach Miller, Michael Bush, Nnamdi Asomugha, Kirk Morrison, & Thomas Howard. And if we trade any of those guys then I'm gonna quit being a Raiders fan. The only exception would be Nnamdi Asomugha, because a shutdown CB isn't winning us any games right now & hasn't been winning us games. We could get a 1st rounder & multiple other picks for him. As much as I would hate to see Asomugha go, we need a lot of good players, not just one that can't help us block or score.
trading Aso for a 1st rounder wont do much of anything but provide another hole on this team. This whole team is a hole but trading Aso for 1st rounder will only hinder this team more. Giving another huge contract to a bum will more than likely occur given our recent 1st rd pics.
el boracho
10-14-2009, 07:23 PM
these aren't "Dream" trades..... they are RETARDED trades....
throw this article in the trash bin.
Morrison for Dansby??? :huh::roflmao
Morrison for Dansby??? :huh::roflmao
Kelly for Dockett!!?? , DOUBLE LMFAO
"Yea here, take our bag of suck that is about 3 times the burden on your payrole for your most talented lineman - Thanks, Al"
el boracho
10-14-2009, 07:28 PM
Kelly for Dockett!!?? , DOUBLE LMFAO
"Yea here, take our bag of suck that is about 3 times the burden on your payrole for your most talented lineman - Thanks, Al"
that article must have been a joke...
Sonny Cheeba
10-14-2009, 07:41 PM
Written by Levi "Dizzle" Damien
Wednesday, 14 October 2009 16:41
:roflmao
Morrison for Dansby :roflmao
Sonny Cheeba
10-14-2009, 07:42 PM
trading Aso for a 1st rounder wont do much of anything but provide another hole on this team. This whole team is a hole but trading Aso for 1st rounder will only hinder this team more. Giving another huge contract to a bum will more than likely occur given our recent 1st rd pics.
If we could get a 1st for Nnamdi I would jump all over it. Nnamdi is a great player that does absolutely NOTHING to help this team win. He's also got a guaranteed $45 mil over the next 3 years.
Trade him to a contender that will be picking somewhere around 22-28 if possible.
Well, to be fair.... Dansby and Morrison are both around the ball a whole lot...
Except Karlos Dansby doesnt get fucked in the ass at the point....
el boracho
10-14-2009, 07:46 PM
Well, to be fair.... Dansby and Morrison are both around the ball a whole lot...
Except Karlos Dansby doesnt get fucked in the ass at the point....
:roflmao i didnt even know morrison still played...When was the last time that two stepper made a dam play...
mickyd
10-14-2009, 07:51 PM
give me a fuckin' break - Lechler is our MVP....
mickyd
10-14-2009, 07:53 PM
We only have 5 players with any trade value, & they are players that we need. We got Zach Miller, Michael Bush, Nnamdi Asomugha, Kirk Morrison, & Thomas Howard. And if we trade any of those guys then I'm gonna quit being a Raiders fan. The only exception would be Nnamdi Asomugha, because a shutdown CB isn't winning us any games right now & hasn't been winning us games. We could get a 1st rounder & multiple other picks for him. As much as I would hate to see Asomugha go, we need a lot of good players, not just one that can't help us block or score.
You got to be freakin kidding - Lechler is the guy with the most value along with Nnamdi and Miller - Morisson and Howard are practice squad players on other teams
BADNESS
10-14-2009, 07:53 PM
One of the drawbacks to drafting "hometown" boys.They get paid, and content, and do the "Eric Davis".Walker(not Lincoln.WTF?) & Jay Richardson,and '11,3rd rd, to Buffalo for T.O. Or McFadden,2nd rd. next year for Boldin. My mind is just "hamster wheeling" right now.I delusional!! frustrated!! desperate!! MUST...GET...TO...EX-CED-RIN!!!
Big O Dick
10-14-2009, 07:54 PM
If we could get a 1st for Nnamdi I would jump all over it. Nnamdi is a great player that does absolutely NOTHING to help this team win. He's also got a guaranteed $45 mil over the next 3 years.
Trade him to a contender that will be picking somewhere around 22-28 if possible.
This should be posted and echoed by all Raider fans world wide. Excellent post buddy!
Nnamdi, class act, like the guy, but he's gotta go for the good of the team. He only plays one side, what good is that when the other side is getting torched? Trade him for as much as you can get. He deserves to be on a real team anyways.
BADNESS
10-14-2009, 07:58 PM
Nhamdi to Arizona for Boldin & DHB to the Calgary Stampeders for Yukon Anderson
Sonny Cheeba
10-14-2009, 08:04 PM
Man have you seen the Stampeder's WR? DHB couldn't carry Jermaine Copeland's jock!
BADNESS
10-14-2009, 08:10 PM
Seriously, you would think struggling teams or near dead teams like ours would look North for some talent.Their are players up there who are beating the pants off NFL talent.That's the "outside-the-box" thinking a Ron Wolf had.He was a Fucking GM!
el boracho
10-14-2009, 08:11 PM
This should be posted and echoed by all Raider fans world wide. Excellent post buddy!
Nnamdi, class act, like the guy, but he's gotta go for the good of the team. He only plays one side, what good is that when the other side is getting torched? Trade him for as much as you can get. He deserves to be on a real team anyways.
Im go against the grain on this one. We get a 1st for Aso and do what with it. We get a bum that does absolutely nothing and probably makes close if not as much as Aso does. There goes another hole that we have to fill and pretty much the whole team is a hole. Sure Aso deserves to play on a winner but fxck this league is a business and the guy can deal with it. Doesnt make sense to trade one of your top players when theres other bums that make as much as he does on the team and you can get rid of them.
mickyd
10-14-2009, 08:18 PM
why punish Nmamdi to be on a team that sucks like this..... he deserves to be on a winner even if he and his agent don't realize it.....
BADNESS
10-14-2009, 08:19 PM
Were really low on chips though El B at this poker table.#21 is right now the only guy bringing anyone here to compliment the move that brought Seymour here.We gotta get at least one or two "bigtime" pieces to keep us, the Nation interested.Cause i'm down to the fans, Bush,Rickey Brown,Murphy & Chris Johnson as the only reasons to go.
Sonny Cheeba
10-14-2009, 08:22 PM
Im go against the grain on this one. We get a 1st for Aso and do what with it. We get a bum that does absolutely nothing and probably makes close if not as much as Aso does. There goes another hole that we have to fill and pretty much the whole team is a hole. Sure Aso deserves to play on a winner but fxck this league is a business and the guy can deal with it. Doesnt make sense to trade one of your top players when theres other bums that make as much as he does on the team and you can get rid of them.
Nnamdi rght now is our most valuable asset, easily. He could bring in the highest value. Sure there are guys like Kelly and Walker that are stealing money from Al, but they've got zero trade value.
In the end I seriously doubt Nnamdi is going anywhere because Al still loves his game and Nnamdi seems genuinely interested in sticking around, trying to help us win again.
But if a team came and offered a 1st and a 3rd for example, I think it would be hard to turn that down.
Big O Dick
10-14-2009, 08:25 PM
The only thing I hope won't happen is, say Al makes trades, gets some players in here and they dog it. They dog it cuz they don't wanna be here. Who does?? Yeah they get paid to play, but at what price??
Al needs to get players in, hire a real damn coach and lay the fuck back. Let it be known that he will lay back, or the players are going to have that, 'fuck this shit were doomed' attitude.
BADNESS
10-14-2009, 08:33 PM
Mike "the Snitch" Lombardi is talking right now about trades, and T.O. is supposed to be on the move (consider the source though). I'd love T.O. He wants to win,works in practice and i think he's been humbled enough to play for us, as long as were trying to get better...
Lil Joker
10-14-2009, 08:36 PM
I have a good feeling something stupid will happen.
el boracho
10-14-2009, 08:37 PM
Nnamdi rght now is our most valuable asset, easily. He could bring in the highest value. Sure there are guys like Kelly and Walker that are stealing money from Al, but they've got zero trade value.
In the end I seriously doubt Nnamdi is going anywhere because Al still loves his game and Nnamdi seems genuinely interested in sticking around, trying to help us win again.
But if a team came and offered a 1st and a 3rd for example, I think it would be hard to turn that down.
hard to turn down??? We get a 1st rounder for Aso and what??? We get a huge contract that does absolutely nothing. Ala Darrious Harward bey, Jamarcus, Mcfadden, michael huff, gallery, fabian washington, tyler brayton, phillip buchanon to name a few. We cant get the first round right and trading a top cornerback for a sure bum isnt exactly the right way to go.
Nemesys
10-14-2009, 08:37 PM
these aren't "Dream" trades..... they are RETARDED trades....
throw this article in the trash bin.
I agree. This article reminds me of bullshit rf.net threads. "Trade one of our shitty players for another team's stud". C'mon, no team's GM is stupid enough to even contemplate this for one millisecond. Articles like this one are lazy and quite frankly, a huge waste of time. I can't believe I wasted a couple of minutes reading it.
Big O Dick
10-14-2009, 08:42 PM
hard to turn down??? We get a 1st rounder for Aso and what??? We get a huge contract that does absolutely nothing. Ala Darrious Harward bey, Jamarcus, Mcfadden, michael huff, gallery, fabian washington, tyler brayton, phillip buchanon to name a few. We cant get the first round right and trading a top cornerback for a sure bum isnt exactly the right way to go.
Because Al is horrible drafting early. You trade Nnamdi to a contender, that 1st rounder will be a late pick, where Al has less chance to fuck it up. Almost every player you named was an early 1st round pick.
el boracho
10-14-2009, 08:50 PM
Because Al is horrible drafting early. You trade Nnamdi to a contender, that 1st rounder will be a late pick, where Al has less chance to fuck it up. Almost every player you named was an early 1st round pick.
I can go back further then those and the trend is the same. Late first rounders when we were winning. Derrick Gibson- 28th pick and matt stinchcomb- 18th pick mo collins-23rd pick and so on. We dont draft good in the first bottomline and trading a sure pro bowler for an unproven large contract first rounder doesnt make sense at all.
Sonny Cheeba
10-14-2009, 08:57 PM
hard to turn down??? We get a 1st rounder for Aso and what??? We get a huge contract that does absolutely nothing. Ala Darrious Harward bey, Jamarcus, Mcfadden, michael huff, gallery, fabian washington, tyler brayton, phillip buchanon to name a few. We cant get the first round right and trading a top cornerback for a sure bum isnt exactly the right way to go.
It's not like we'd be trading him to the Rams or Chiefs for their 1st rounder, guaranteed to be in the top 5, so we wouldn't be offering them $24 mil guaranteed like DHB. Like I said a contender picking in the 20's, that would be the only type of team looking to acquire someone like Nnamdi anyway.
He had his breakout year in 2006, we went 2-14. He had another good year in 2007, we went 4-12. Made the probowl in 2008, we went 5-11. He's having another good year this year, and it looks like a 3-13 season. Again, we're paying $15 million to a player that does NOT help us win games.
If Al steps down and let's a real DC run a proper defense, then let's keep him. And for the record I really like Nnamdi and admire his professionalism, but nobody on this team should be considered untouchable.
Mike "the Snitch" Lombardi is talking right now about trades, and T.O. is supposed to be on the move (consider the source though). I'd love T.O. He wants to win,works in practice and i think he's been humbled enough to play for us, as long as were trying to get better...
T.O. is going to be 37 years old...Why dude? Why?
reloading is just not the way to go... this team has to rebuild from square 1... Whatever it takes to bring TO in here will be wasted... TO will not be able to contribute by the time this team is ready to seriously compete.
el boracho
10-14-2009, 09:10 PM
It's not like we'd be trading him to the Rams or Chiefs for their 1st rounder, guaranteed to be in the top 5, so we wouldn't be offering them $24 mil guaranteed like DHB. Like I said a contender picking in the 20's, that would be the only type of team looking to acquire someone like Nnamdi anyway.
He had his breakout year in 2006, we went 2-14. He had another good year in 2007, we went 4-12. Made the probowl in 2008, we went 5-11. He's having another good year this year, and it looks like a 3-13 season. Again, we're paying $15 million to a player that does NOT help us win games.
If Al steps down and let's a real DC run a proper defense, then let's keep him. And for the record I really like Nnamdi and admire his professionalism, but nobody on this team should be considered untouchable.
i never said hes untouchable but just about every other player on this team can be expendable before you get rid of a sure pro bowl player. Look at my posts above about our late first round picks in the past and that is what you have to look forward to when drafting late. Giving away millions to an unproven rook or giving away mills to a proven probowler?
perfect example is Charles Woodson. Let a good one get away and trying to replace him with others and it hasnt panned out. Could have gave Cwood top cb money and Al would still have saved given what hes thrown away with the likes of Deangelo, Fabian, Buchanon and so on.
BADNESS
10-14-2009, 09:54 PM
Bump, do you live on "Misery Lane". T.O. has at least 3 years left, and of course Al being an obstacle, but teams turn around in the strangest of ways.Anything can happen in the next 15 months.Really! You "gut" 70% of the roster at the end of the season, and start fresh.That's it. A "Total Team" Makeover. Also i'm back-to-the-days when we were good, and you just sat back and said, "who'd you like to see in silver & black". T.O. is one i'd want.A piece.That's all.You could get T.O. cheap. You just don't want him. Who would you trade for Bump?
Bump, do you live on "Misery Lane". T.O. has at least 3 years left, and of course Al being an obstacle, but teams turn around in the strangest of ways.Anything can happen in the next 15 months.Really! You "gut" 70% of the roster at the end of the season, and start fresh.That's it. A "Total Team" Makeover. Also i'm back-to-the-days when we were good, and you just sat back and said, "who'd you like to see in silver & black". T.O. is one i'd want.A piece.That's all.You could get T.O. cheap. You just don't want him. Who would you trade for Bump?
Well, I'm trying to look at this objectively...
T.O would be of little value to this team...
By the time they are competitive, T.O will have nothing left... He is almost running on fumes now.
This team needs to be built through the draft.... for cheap... when we build a solid foundation... THEN you add the final pieces through trades and key free agent signings...
bringing in a washed up vet or a big name does nothing to stop the bleeding and just ties up resources in the meantime.
Also, resigning our own stiffs doesnt help either.
Big O Dick
10-14-2009, 10:02 PM
i never said hes untouchable but just about every other player on this team can be expendable before you get rid of a sure pro bowl player. Look at my posts above about our late first round picks in the past and that is what you have to look forward to when drafting late. Giving away millions to an unproven rook or giving away mills to a proven probowler?
perfect example is Charles Woodson. Let a good one get away and trying to replace him with others and it hasnt panned out. Could have gave Cwood top cb money and Al would still have saved given what hes thrown away with the likes of Deangelo, Fabian, Buchanon and so on.
Your not breaking the bank on late 1st rounders man..and Nnamdi can go to as many pro bowls as he wants but that still doesn't mean nada when the raiders are a 3 to 5 win team every year he's here. He plays one side of the field, the other gets scorched. We lose. Why keep him if we could get something for him that could help the team win? Right now, he is NOT helping win games plain and simple...and I like Nnamdi.
BADNESS
10-14-2009, 10:04 PM
I hear you Bump! love ya! but give me something to dream to tonight...What move do you think you'd make next week with an eye on improving the team? Are w efinally gonna try an dump Fargas now that G.Russell is on the roster..
Nemesys
10-14-2009, 10:04 PM
Bump, do you live on "Misery Lane". T.O. has at least 3 years left, and of course Al being an obstacle, but teams turn around in the strangest of ways.Anything can happen in the next 15 months.Really! You "gut" 70% of the roster at the end of the season, and start fresh.That's it. A "Total Team" Makeover. Also i'm back-to-the-days when we were good, and you just sat back and said, "who'd you like to see in silver & black". T.O. is one i'd want.A piece.That's all.You could get T.O. cheap. You just don't want him. Who would you trade for Bump?
Raider Rob, what good is bringing in TO for? It didn't work out with Moss, it won't work out with TO. Who's going to throw him the ball? TO hasn't done anything in Buffalo so far to even warrant anybody wanting his ass anyways. You say TO has 3 years left in him, but so far this year, he's looking like a 37 year old WR who has lost "it". I say pass.
Bump's right, this team needs to rebuild from sqaure 1, and none of this "reloading" shit. This team has been "reloading" for 6 years and all they have accomplished is treading water and now just horribly regressing.
BADNESS
10-14-2009, 10:17 PM
So i pose the same question,just because i know you guys know "football business"....What would you do next week: Trade or Not Trade? & Who you trying to get! Stimulate my football senses gentlemen(lol)
I hear you Bump! love ya! but give me something to dream to tonight...What move do you think you'd make next week with an eye on improving the team? Are w efinally gonna try an dump Fargas now that G.Russell is on the roster..
lol, the move I would make?
hire Steve Wisniewski as GM
Nemesys
10-14-2009, 10:41 PM
So i pose the same question,just because i know you guys know "football business"....What would you do next week: Trade or Not Trade? & Who you trying to get! Stimulate my football senses gentlemen(lol)
Honestly Raider Rob, I don't see how we can rebuild with Al calling the shots. You need to rebuild through the draft, so I say keep what picks we have and trade players for future picks. Again, this strategy will only do us any good if Al is seriously finally tired with all of the losing and decides to actually get a competent GM in place, and I'm not talking about Matt Millen either.
Unless that happens we will, as fans, be subjected to the same non-stop vicious cycle that has been going on for 6 years. This organization needs a GM, a qualified Head Coach who will be given 4-5 years to implement his philosophies and bring in HIS OWN STAFF and be able to draft his own players to fit his schemes. Until that happens, the Raiders organization is just wasting the fans time and energy.
el boracho
10-14-2009, 11:07 PM
So i pose the same question,just because i know you guys know "football business"....What would you do next week: Trade or Not Trade? & Who you trying to get! Stimulate my football senses gentlemen(lol)
one player is not going to change this team around unless its a non player type move. Give me a football minded individual to run this org. and lets get this shxt on point.
el boracho
10-14-2009, 11:08 PM
Honestly Raider Rob, I don't see how we can rebuild with Al calling the shots. You need to rebuild through the draft, so I say keep what picks we have and trade players for future picks. Again, this strategy will only do us any good if Al is seriously finally tired with all of the losing and decides to actually get a competent GM in place, and I'm not talking about Matt Millen either.
Unless that happens we will, as fans, be subjected to the same non-stop vicious cycle that has been going on for 6 years. This organization needs a GM, a qualified Head Coach who will be given 4-5 years to implement his philosophies and bring in HIS OWN STAFF and be able to draft his own players to fit his schemes. Until that happens, the Raiders organization is just wasting the fans time and energy.
yeah bro right on...:Yep
BADNESS
10-16-2009, 09:52 AM
Then i will concede that if any anouncement from Oakland at "trade day" is to be had. It should be that the lowly-Oakland Raiders have retained a GM.Gotcha.
Then i will concede that if any anouncement from Oakland at "trade day" is to be had. It should be that the lowly-Oakland Raiders have retained a GM.Gotcha.
Aye Rob, but honestly...
How many years do you think this is away from being out the shit hole?
I know it's the NFL and worst to first is more probable in this league than any... That being said... This team is that fucked that you can rule out worst to first for the next couple years IMHO.
So what vet would you bring in? We need to just develop a culture of spotting talent.. And working the deep rounds of the draft... That is where the battles are won man...
You groom these players into your system... Once you have your foundation... you THEN go and look for those finishing pieces...Like, Nnamdi.. lol
You are a funk musician, right? So you know how studio engineering goes?
You don't put the compressors and gates on a track until you laid down and multi tracked the arrangments... Right?
Al is trying to master a shitty tune brah...
BigPrimo
10-16-2009, 05:01 PM
i would trade Morrison and maybe another player to cleveland for Joshua cribbs! Apparently we are interested in him!
Sonny Cheeba
10-16-2009, 05:09 PM
If we traded for Cribbs then Cable would still have Holland returning kickoffs and Eugene Hiram with PR duties.
oh yea! CRIBBS! thats the ticket!!... we will be contenders if we get him!
Tre 6 Months
10-16-2009, 06:42 PM
Morrison ain't getting traded. We don't need Josh Cribbs or TO. We need a GM, coach, O-line help & a solid draft.
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