View Full Version : Will Raiders pass if Curry falls to No. 7?
Uncle Nook Nook
04-20-2009, 09:12 PM
Regarded at the time of the NFL combine as perhaps the safest pick in the draft, the financial realities of taking a linebacker with a premium pick could cause Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry to take a tumble...
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2009/04/20/will-raiders-pass-if-curry-falls-to-no-7/
I don't care if there's an "odd man out" between howard and morrison, have the best players on the football field!
Buck Rogers
04-20-2009, 09:32 PM
A month or so ago it seemed ridiculous that we could be staring at Curry when we're on the clock. But now it's a possibility, it doesn't seem so far fetched that he's on the board when we pick....and IF he is, then we should take him 110%.
I know the mock draft changes due to free agent aquisitions and trades and what not, but another big reason why the mock draft changes so much is because those jack asses in the media run out of shit to talk about.. Just observe the pattern
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2009/04/20/will-raiders-pass-if-curry-falls-to-no-7/
I don't care if there's an "odd man out" between howard and morrison, have the best players on the football field!
There's no doubt in my mind he can play the strong side. He does everything our backers dont. He reads and diagnoses plays, sheds blocks, makes open field tackles, is a prescence over the middle, maintains his gap and doesn't overpursue. On one of the youtube clips against clemson I think you can see he sheds the TE several times before making the tackle. On top of all that he's explosive making him an effective blitzer. I love Aaron Curry and would be ecstatic if we drafted him. Jmo.
cheapshotartist
04-21-2009, 07:25 AM
If Curry is there when we pick he should be the choice. But since we have no GM you know who will do the picking so there is no telling who we will pick.
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dirt williams
04-21-2009, 08:38 AM
No way he falls to #7.
But if he does....there's no way you can pass up the best player in the draft, especially at a position of need.
Unless of course you're Al Davis.
I still like RAJI. Without a solid front 4 it won't matter who our LB's are...
Uncle Nook Nook
04-21-2009, 10:33 AM
still like raji even though dt/nt can be addressed in the later rounds?
still like raji even though dt/nt can be addressed in the later rounds?
I really think Raji is a young version of Sapp. Warren was a beast in his prime.
They say Curry is the safest pick in the draft, but so was Bobby G. I would be happy with Curry if he was the pick, though. I just prefer Raji...
LB_RA¹Ð³R
04-21-2009, 11:19 AM
I don't think so.. If Curry falls to us i think we should trade out of that spot, there should be alot of teams that want him.. & we got more needs than a LB
cheapshotartist
04-21-2009, 01:17 PM
I don't think so.. If Curry falls to us i think we should trade out of that spot, there should be alot of teams that want him.. & we got more needs than a LB
I would agree with you on getting the extra picks If we had a GM. We have Al and what would he do with any extra picks? I really don't want to find out.
:csa:
bigjayboogie
04-21-2009, 05:10 PM
If Curry is there when we pick he should be the choice. But since we have no GM you know who will do the picking so there is no telling who we will pick.
:csa:
lol! true true....but even for Al this really isn't hard. One thing Steve Hartman said down here in so. cal is that in 85 the niners jumped the raiders to get jerriy rice...and they asked the raiders about it and they said jerry didn't have the foot speed and they weren't going to pick him....
Maybe Al learned his lesson about measurables and will pick Crabtree if he's there.....and curry over all...
Curry>crabtree>bey, maclin, whatever speedster al wants
lol! true true....but even for Al this really isn't hard. One thing Steve Hartman said down here in so. cal is that in 85 the niners jumped the raiders to get jerriy rice...and they asked the raiders about it and they said jerry didn't have the foot speed and they weren't going to pick him....
Maybe Al learned his lesson about measurables and will pick Crabtree if he's there.....and curry over all...
Curry>crabtree>bey, maclin, whatever speedster al wants
Welcome to the spot jayboogaloo. Good to see you found it.
Speed vs. football skills has been haunting Al Davis big time over the last few years...Huff the fastest safety..bleh. Washington the speediest CB..bleh...A whole crop of fast LB'ers and aint none of em wrappin up runners behind the LOS..
Now the funny thing about the WRs is, that AL traditionally had a good eye for the quality player and stayed away from the best track stats: Freddy B. Gault etc... Somewhere he decided to get a boner for track times, and we've been missing on drafts ever since..
el boracho
04-21-2009, 07:26 PM
i wouldnt mind Curry or Raji....Go D...
David
04-21-2009, 07:43 PM
lol! true true....but even for Al this really isn't hard. One thing Steve Hartman said down here in so. cal is that in 85 the niners jumped the raiders to get jerriy rice...and they asked the raiders about it and they said jerry didn't have the foot speed and they weren't going to pick him....
Maybe Al learned his lesson about measurables and will pick Crabtree if he's there.....and curry over all...
Curry>crabtree>bey, maclin, whatever speedster al wants
welcome bigjay, ur a good poster man
only players i would want to pick in the 1st round are, Crabtree, Curry, Monroe, and Andre Smith... int hat order...
otherwise a trade down wont be that bad..that are other good receievers in this draft.
Uncle Nook Nook
04-21-2009, 08:08 PM
welcome bigjay, ur a good poster man
only players i would want to pick in the 1st round are, Crabtree, Curry, Monroe, and Andre Smith... int hat order...
otherwise a trade down wont be that bad..that are other good receievers in this draft.
no raji or orakpo?
lol! true true....but even for Al this really isn't hard. One thing Steve Hartman said down here in so. cal is that in 85 the niners jumped the raiders to get jerriy rice...and they asked the raiders about it and they said jerry didn't have the foot speed and they weren't going to pick him....
Maybe Al learned his lesson about measurables and will pick Crabtree if he's there.....and curry over all...
Curry>crabtree>bey, maclin, whatever speedster al wants
LOL If this happened in 1985, then trust me, Al hasn't learned shit
Gridiron PIRATE
04-21-2009, 10:52 PM
You know, at first, i would have loved Curry. He has the talent to play any LB position & that would for sure solidify us at that position for years, but...
Without a solid front 4 it won't matter who our LB's are...
Which is why i would also love Raji before Curry.
Uncle Nook Nook
04-21-2009, 10:55 PM
again, like many others have re-iterated, just because you don't address a certain position in round 1 it does not mean that you will not address it in a later round.
what would be a better combo:
curry and a dt/nt in round 2
or raji and a lb in round 2?
curry > raji.
Frantz Presaesno
04-21-2009, 11:28 PM
Curry in round 1 and Ron Brace in round 2 would be the best Raiders draft in years. I don't see how Curry falls out of the top 5 though.
Uncle Nook Nook
04-21-2009, 11:33 PM
Curry in round 1 and Ron Brace in round 2 would be the best Raiders draft in years. I don't see how Curry falls out of the top 5 though.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/17/mock1/index.html
this dude sees curry fallin all the way to 8..i'd be happy if his mock went as planned up to the raiders pick
Frantz Presaesno
04-22-2009, 12:02 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/17/mock1/index.html
this dude sees curry fallin all the way to 8..i'd be happy if his mock went as planned up to the raiders pick
If we took Maclin with Curry on the board I'd give up for the season.
MOST-ILL
04-22-2009, 12:15 AM
I concur....
Antonio Trotter
04-22-2009, 06:15 AM
You DONT pick Raji over Curry..... I dont CARE what the logic applied or how bad you feel our need at DT is... DT can be addressed in later rounds... Curry is the best prospect in this draft...
Curry > Raji hands down... No argument can be applied.
You DONT pick Raji over Curry..... I dont CARE what the logic applied or how bad you feel our need at DT is... DT can be addressed in later rounds... Curry is the best prospect in this draft...
Curry > Raji hands down... No argument can be applied.
While Curry isnt on my list of wishes, I agree bro. You can't let him fall past you. His trade value will be worth its weight in gold for years, plus you can plug him in anywhere on the back three and he'll be stuntin'.
Curry = Excels in every facet of game
Raji = excels in run d, pass rush meh
Buck Rogers
04-22-2009, 09:25 AM
Curry is also legitmately a player that teams could be willing to trade up for. Perhaps Buffalo would make a move for him? I'm not sure if they'd be willing to part with both their 1st rounders but the 11th pick and their 2nd rounder (42nd overall) might be enough to get the deal done.
Curry is also legitmately a player that teams could be willing to trade up for. Perhaps Buffalo would make a move for him? I'm not sure if they'd be willing to part with both their 1st rounders but the 11th pick and their 2nd rounder (42nd overall) might be enough to get the deal done.
Browns might already be preparing for that. The fact that they just brought in guys like Nicks and Britt gives off the vibe that they may want to grab a late first rd WR and some more picks in exchange for that #5
again, like many others have re-iterated, just because you don't address a certain position in round 1 it does not mean that you will not address it in a later round.
what would be a better combo:
curry and a dt/nt in round 2
or raji and a lb in round 2?
curry > raji.
If Curry played ball in the SEC like Pat Willis did I would be more impressed with his numbers. All of you who think Curry is a no-brainer must not have been paying attention to previous busts. There is NO such thing as a SURE thing with the draft.
I agree that we could find a DT in the later rounds. Point taken...
Raji = excels in run d, pass rush meh
Last time I checked, those two abilities are exactly what we've been missing the last half decade. Not only would he help fill those two holes, he'd also make life easier for the Law Firm...
Last time I checked, those two abilities are exactly what we've been missing the last half decade. Not only would he help fill those two holes, he'd also make life easier for the Law Firm...
Should have been more clear, my bad. I was saying Raji plays the run much better than he does the pass, where as Curry is dominant in both phases, but yes, Raji would also be an instant upgrade to what we got.
Frantz Presaesno
04-22-2009, 11:51 AM
If Curry played ball in the SEC like Pat Willis did I would be more impressed with his numbers. All of you who think Curry is a no-brainer must not have been paying attention to previous busts. There is NO such thing as a SURE thing with the draft.
I agree that we could find a DT in the later rounds. Point taken...
Simply using conference to evaluate a player isn't enough, especially since the best SEC talent is usually on the defensive side of the ball. It works sometimes but not in this case. Curry is a beast. He is way closer to a "sure thing" than Raji and can lead a defense.
BTW, Curry's Wake Forest defeated Ole Miss in 2008, so there is some experience there vs a solid SEC team.
Simply using conference to evaluate a player isn't enough, especially since the best SEC talent is usually on the defensive side of the ball. It works sometimes but not in this case. Curry is a beast. He is way closer to a "sure thing" than Raji and can lead a defense.
BTW, Curry's Wake Forest defeated Ole Miss in 2008, so there is some experience there vs a solid SEC team.
DT is a bigger need than LB, IMO. Raji is the best DT available, hands down. WE NEED TO STOP THE RUN! That's all I'm going to say about that.
Curry's Wafe Forest team also lost to my Midshipmen in 2008 (regular season). I'm sure it wasn't due to Curry's play. Come on dude, you can do better than that...
Antonio Trotter
04-22-2009, 12:21 PM
DT is a bigger need than LB, IMO. Raji is the best DT available, hands down. WE NEED TO STOP THE RUN! That's all I'm going to say about that.
Curry's Wafe Forest team also lost to my Midshipmen in 2008 (regular season). I'm sure it wasn't due to Curry's play. Come on dude, you can do better than that...
You dont draft for need when there is that kind of value on the board still....
You dont draft for need when there is that kind of value on the board still....
So, hypothetically, if Curry was a CB you'd still take him?..
Antonio Trotter
04-22-2009, 12:27 PM
So, hypothetically, if Curry was a CB you'd still take him?..
Yes I would take Charles Woodson over Raji
VaRayder
04-22-2009, 12:37 PM
We had better not pass on Curry if he falls to us
Frantz Presaesno
04-22-2009, 12:40 PM
Curry's value at #7 is too good to pass up. You're talking about getting the best linebacker in a draft since Patrick Willis. There's a BJ Raji in the draft every year and I think Ron Brace is an acceptable 2nd round choice. This team isn't winning much next year regardless of who we pick so we might as well get the BPA.
Yes I would take Charles Woodson over Raji
We needed a CB when we drafted C-Wood.
Raji is an elite DT. He will make a bigger impact for us than Curry.
When Tampa Bay drafted Sapp it immediately equated to more victories. You can't get any more bottom lined than that.
When San Francisco drafted Willis last year their record didn't reflect immediate dividends.
Is Curry an elite LB, yes. Is he going to have a bigger impact than Raji, no.
Only way I'd take an LB is if we were offered a king's ransom through a trade...
Buck Rogers
04-22-2009, 12:54 PM
Curry could step in day 1 and never come off the field. Raji is 330+ lbs and if there is a knock on him, it's his conditioning and stamina. Considering that Curry is the better prospect, and he'd be playing 100% of the defensive snaps as opposed to, say, 70% of the snaps, the choice is a slam-dunk no brainer. Take Curry if he's there.
Antonio Trotter
04-22-2009, 12:55 PM
Curry's value at #7 is too good to pass up. You're talking about getting the best linebacker in a draft since Patrick Willis. There's a BJ Raji in the draft every year and I think Ron Brace is an acceptable 2nd round choice. This team isn't winning much next year regardless of who we pick so we might as well get the BPA.
You have to remember, Curry coming out may be the best since Willis in hindsight..
Coming out Willis did not grade out as high as Curry....
The last LB I can remember grading out as high as Curry would probably be Kevin Hardy from Illinois.
David
04-22-2009, 01:11 PM
Raji is an elite DT. He will make a bigger impact for us than Curry.
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is he really elite?
i honestly dont think so
Curry could step in day 1 and never come off the field. Raji is 330+ lbs and if there is a knock on him, it's his conditioning and stamina. Considering that Curry is the better prospect, and he'd be playing 100% of the defensive snaps as opposed to, say, 70% of the snaps, the choice is a slam-dunk no brainer. Take Curry if he's there.
When was the last time you heard the words 'conditioning' and 'stamina' for a DT? It's a given that a LB is going to be on the field more than a DT. Just because Curry might be on the field more doesn't mean he'll make a bigger impact.
Slam dunk no brainer? I beg to differ. For every Joe Thomas or Jake Long there's a Tony Mandarich or Robert Gallery...
Curry's value at #7 is too good to pass up. You're talking about getting the best linebacker in a draft since Patrick Willis. There's a BJ Raji in the draft every year and I think Ron Brace is an acceptable 2nd round choice. This team isn't winning much next year regardless of who we pick so we might as well get the BPA.
If we could get Brace in round 2 then I would be cool with taking Curry at #7.
Let me ask you a question...Do you think the Raiders would use Curry on the outside or at in the middle? He looks like more of an OLB from the tape's I've seen. We don't need another OLB...
Buck Rogers
04-22-2009, 01:33 PM
When was the last time you heard the words 'conditioning' and 'stamina' for a DT? It's a given that a LB is going to be on the field more than a DT. Just because Curry might be on the field more doesn't mean he'll make a bigger impact.
Slam dunk no brainer? I beg to differ. For every Joe Thomas or Jake Long there's a Tony Mandarich or Robert Gallery...
You can say that about every position in the draft, Raji could turn out to be Ryan Sims for all we know.
I'm not opposed to drafting him in the least bit, but I still think Curry is the better player.
Uncle Nook Nook
04-22-2009, 01:47 PM
If we could get Brace in round 2 then I would be cool with taking Curry at #7.
Let me ask you a question...Do you think the Raiders would use Curry on the outside or at in the middle? He looks like more of an OLB from the tape's I've seen. We don't need another OLB...
so you're fine with ricky fucking brown, or jon alston??
Antonio Trotter
04-22-2009, 01:50 PM
so you're fine with ricky fucking brown, or jon alston??
Dood.... whats wrong with RICKY FUCKING BROWN????
yayarea_raider
04-22-2009, 01:51 PM
Dood.... whats wrong with RICKY FUCKING BROWN????
he f*CKING SUCKS
:happens
Antonio Trotter
04-22-2009, 02:00 PM
he f*CKING SUCKS
:happens
youre buggin Yay...
Its Ricky Fucking Brown
Raji's 2008 stats: 22 solo, 20 assisted, 7 sacks
Brace's '08 stats: 18 solo, 8 assisted, 2 sacks
That's great production from a DT...
so you're fine with ricky fucking brown, or jon alston??
Absolutely not! I'm not fine with any of our 'backers.
Are you fine with 'Big Terd' Sands?..
Frantz Presaesno
04-22-2009, 03:59 PM
Absolutely not! I'm not fine with any of our 'backers.
Are you fine with 'Big Terd' Sands?..
But if you're not fine with either position, and both are important positions on the field, wouldn't you take the better of the two players? There are plenty of questions about Raji, but few about Curry.
But if you're not fine with either position, and both are important positions on the field, wouldn't you take the better of the two players? There are plenty of questions about Raji, but few about Curry.
I let the numbers speak for themselves. Football players aren't the purist of people. Look at LT, Sapp, Manley, etc. They all had off the field issues, but they were exceptional football players.
Like I said before, I'd be okay if we picked Curry. Raji just fills a bigger hole...
Frantz Presaesno
04-22-2009, 04:54 PM
I don't care about off the field issues until they effect what you do on the field. Raji's motor and dedication have come into question a lot. Why draft that kind of a risk pick when you've got the best overall defensive prospect in the draft there for the taking?
Tyler Brayton has a motor, so does Howie's son (jury's still out). Overrated quality.
Dedication is a concern. I don't know the guy personally so I'm not going to take a shot at him...
Gridiron PIRATE
04-22-2009, 06:25 PM
Great debate guys. Got me swingin like a pendulum.
Yes, it would suck for us to have Ricky Brown or Jon Alston playing strong again, but i don't want to have Curry and then him being excused for a poor performance because... "he didn't have a capable front four". I'm tired of having that problem.
With Raji, we finally address an issue that has plagued us since... shit, i dunno, Parella and Coleman were gone? It's been too long.
Frantz Presaesno
04-22-2009, 10:08 PM
If the team is going to suck this year (and come on, they're GOING TO suck this year), why not take the BPA? We can get a DT that's on Raji's level in the draft next year. We may not have another shot at an LB like Curry for years.
Gridiron PIRATE
04-23-2009, 03:02 AM
If the team is going to suck this year (and come on, they're GOING TO suck this year), why not take the BPA? We can get a DT that's on Raji's level in the draft next year. We may not have another shot at an LB like Curry for years.
There's always another draft and another better prospect.
Try to fix it now. We get better, sooner.
iceman4444
04-24-2009, 02:14 PM
The Raiders LB's can't tackle and cant' stop the run; its been that way for 5 years; no way is Curry going that far and there is no way you let him go if he's there.
The Raiders LB's can't tackle and cant' stop the run; its been that way for 5 years; no way is Curry going that far and there is no way you let him go if he's there.
Same can be said about the D-Line. We need to build from the front four...
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