So... What does everyone think of our draft this year?

[Jimi18]

:clap:

:?

:huh:

IDK... just hope these guys don't expect a huge salary :)

May have the fastest team though?

[iceman4444]

LOL; so far 5 bench players; the 49ers are jumping for joy in getting Crabtree and a solid RB in Coffee, and we are stuck with a guy that no one wanted; drafting him in the second round; Bey who was avg in College but runs fast in gym shorts; and a guy in the third round that might not even make the team.

Slade is a nice bench special teams player but this is pathetic.

The Raiders are a 4-5 win team again.

[trojan56]

I dont care who we get I just want to fuckin win!!!!!!

[Dewn Coon]

The Raiders are a 4-5 win team again.

4-5 is no longer guaranteed. Even the teams in our division got better.

[Don]

I like the first two picks, not crazy about the last two. But WTF do I know, I don't do this shit for a living

[trojan56]

I like the first two picks, not crazy about the last two. But WTF do I know, I don't do this shit for a living

I agree. DHB, the biggest knock on him is we took him too early. Ok so what we still needed a WR. Mitchell, i just dont know. the rest fodder

[Big O Dick]

This draft is a wash on paper. DHB might be ok, MIGHT. Crabtree would have been the impact player we needed. The best rated and talented WR in the draft and you pass him up...I personally couldnt do it. Bey was absent in games, had low totals last year, and was inconsistent catching the ball. Im not gonna be totally down on the pick cuz you never know. What I do know is that when you have a chance to improve your team with the talent that was there at 7, you dont reach for a guy that you HOPE will be good.

This draft gets an F from me, but Im no expert.

[Jimi18]

looking at the numbers, and values, yeah it was pathetic, but lets say crabtree (who said "thank You" when we passed him) held out, and we lost him this season like we did JRock his 1st season?? (guess we will see how that goes in san fran?) lets say, we get a great deal of help with DHB, and you can see the results from his addition?
lets say Mitchell knocks LT, and Cassell the mutha fukin' out? or he improves the run defense?

then i guess it will be a ok draft? but at least it wasn't with players like gallery, or Ryan Leaf, that was projected high, and ended up not living up to the standards.

I never was too big on draft.. i mean i like to follow it, and all, but i would rather be winning every year and always picking late anyway, so these top named rated picks really do not mean nothing to me..
cept' when i look back and realized we maybe could of had that guy instead of the turd we have, but.. thats Raiders Football :)

[Big O Dick]

looking at the numbers, and values, yeah it was pathetic, but lets say crabtree (who said "thank You" when we passed him) held out, and we lost him this season like we did JRock his 1st season?? (guess we will see how that goes in san fran?) lets say, we get a great deal of help with DHB, and you can see the results from his addition?
lets say Mitchell knocks LT, and Cassell the mutha fukin' out? or he improves the run defense?

then i guess it will be a ok draft? but at least it wasn't with players like gallery, or Ryan Leaf, that was projected high, and ended up not living up to the standards.

I never was too big on draft.. i mean i like to follow it, and all, but i would rather be winning every year and always picking late anyway, so these top named rated picks really do not mean nothing to me..
cept' when i look back and realized we maybe could of had that guy instead of the turd we have, but.. thats Raiders Football :)

Agree with you Jimi...100%. Im no expert, never claim to be or act like it. Bey and Mitchell might turn out to be impact players and help us win games! Only time will tell! Crabtree might turn out to be injury plagued and suck.

ON PAPER...this isnt the draft I would expect. On the field, we'll see!

[Dewn Coon]

How the FUCK DO WE EXPECT TO STOP THE RUN THIS YEAR?!? It is the SEVENTH round and we have not takin a SINGLE DT, and took some unknown DE and TE.

LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, WE ARE GOING INTO NEXT YEAR WITH MOTHERFUCKING SANDS AND CO. AT DT AGAIN AND EXPECT TO STOP THE RUN??!! KNOWSHON, LT, SPROLES, they are going to LIGHT US UP for 200 at this rate!

THESE LATE ROUND PICKS MAKE THE DHB/MITCHELL PICKS LOOK GREAT.ATLEAST THOSE TWO MIGHT BE GOOD PLAYERS, EVEN IF DRAFTED EARLY. THESE GUYS ARE BUMS, THE ONLY PICKS THIS DRAFT THAT MADE ANY SENSE WAS THE MURPHY PICK IN THE 4TH IMO, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS HORRIBLE REACH

[reznors edge]

loved the DHB pick despite the majority of complaints here. At the end we got the more quicker, taller, and explosive receiver to stretch the field for Russell and McFadden. Sure, would've been nice to trade down but after the Sanchez pick nobody was really desperate to move up. Chance losing the #1 guy on your board for an extra 3rd or 4th round pick?? At the end the right choice was made, get over it.

[Jake]

I'm an Al Davis fan. Most of the time I see where he is coming from, sometimes I don't. In the case of this draft, I don't. I look at things objectively/case by case and he brought a knife to a gun fight this year, in my opinion.

We need to address the run D
We have bums that need to be packaged up and dealt
We do not do business with the freakin' Pats.
We are drafting lackluster and passive instead of aggresive.
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On a positive note, whether we reached like crazy or not, I'm glad we finally have someone at safety that appears to have a killer instinct and mean streak, I hope it's contagious.

[Don]

I think Al went off on an name kick this year. Fuck drawing straws when you got names like Heyward-Bey, Charlie Murphy, Chuck Norris, fuckin STRYKER!?!? HAAH

And that goon at the end, the TE, yeah thats Tom Cables pick, all the way. Gotta love the cornfed red head farm boy..lol

I do think Bey was the right choice over Crabtree for us. And Im excited to see Mitchell knock a mother fucker out. Cant remember the last time you heard a fool put the ooooooooooooo' in Oakland.

[sraiderguy]

I think Al went off on an name kick this year. Fuck drawing straws when you got names like Heyward-Bey, Charlie Murphy, Chuck Norris, fuckin STRYKER!?!? HAAH

And that goon at the end, the TE, yeah thats Tom Cables pick, all the way. Gotta love the cornfed red head farm boy..lol

I do think Bey was the right choice over Crabtree for us. And Im excited to see Mitchell knock a mother fucker out. Cant remember the last time you heard a fool put the ooooooooooooo' in Oakland.

like your take it seems people either love or hat the 1st 2 rounds. The rest is up for debate. I think this year's draft went as expected and could work out for the Raiders

[Sonny Cheeba]

Pretty disappointed to be honest. I hope for the best but taking a guy 7th overall that no other team on the planet would touch with a top 10 pick is what gets me. I hope these guys pan out and will always cheer for them, but I really think our first two picks prove how badly we need some real personnel people running the team.

[silver & black]

This draft was a joke. I really thought we were going to make some noise this year. We SHOULD have made some noise this year. All that talent that was there for the taking at #7... and Al figured out how to fuck up the unfuckupable... just fuck it. It is what it is... and will be untill......

[TAPE]

and we are stuck with a guy that no one wanted; drafting him in the second round;




How do you know nobody wanted him????

Dude, after seeing you post.. Watching Mike Mayock is like a vacation in Bali

[or24]

Bey - Change of direction/route running and vision with the ball are horrible. He is not good after the catch. Plus he better learn to lower his head on contact or he wont last in the nfl. He leaves himself wide open for hits. He is just a straight line runner. Although as I watch more and more of him he can go up and fight for the ball. I among others compared him to Troy Williamson but I'm going to retract that statement. I don't hate this pick as much as I did before. Would have still loved to have Crab or Robo first. We did not get all we could for #7. We have to pay this guy much more than he deserves. We could have GAVE away this pick to move down and get him. Bad selection regardless of how Bey performs imo.

Mike Mitchell - he is a project player but the only thing I do like is he is not afraid of contact. If his technique can be worked on he could become a good player. But again we didnt get fair value at this pick and you dont take a project player in round 2 unless he has tremendous upside.

Matt Shaughnessy - I have never seen this guy play but from what I read this guy has very little pass rush ability. So right off the bat that is a huge negative. We dont need another one dimensional end. Given his build, he is also undersized for a run stopping end. So i see absolutely no value here. Terrible pick. Think Jay Richardson or Tyler Brayton

Louis Murphy - I actually like this pick from what I seen. Seems like a pretty smooth athlete who can run routes and jump for the ball. Good selection imo.

Slade Norris - Listed as an end on nfl.com i believe but is more likely a will backer. Possibly special teams player. Reminds me of Howard a bit. I like this guy as a player I just think it doesnt help fill a need at all. Decent pick.

Stryker Sulak - Long yardage pass rusher. Not much bulk. Likely a liability against the run. We already have Burgess and Scott. Might be a good situational player but again doesnt fill a need.

Brandon Myers - Blocking Tight end that is actually pretty elusive. I originally thought blocking te and nearly puked but appears to be more than just a blocker. We do have more pressing needs and could have found a blocker in free agency but at the end of the draft a good pick.

Bad picks in the 1st 3 rounds...so much better talent available. Al Davis gets an F

[Sonny Cheeba]

And BTW I think Louis Murphy was definitley our best pick.....which is not a good thing.

[Jake]

How the FUCK DO WE EXPECT TO STOP THE RUN THIS YEAR?!? It is the SEVENTH round and we have not takin a SINGLE DT, and took some unknown DE and TE.

LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, WE ARE GOING INTO NEXT YEAR WITH MOTHERFUCKING SANDS AND CO. AT DT AGAIN AND EXPECT TO STOP THE RUN??!! KNOWSHON, LT, SPROLES, they are going to LIGHT US UP for 200 at this rate!

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Maaan, when you figure this out, let me know. I'm wondering the same damn thing.

We could have the soul patrol 2.0 back there and it really don't matter because they will just be watching as we get Marty balled all year long.

[Jake]

I think Al went off on an name kick this year. Fuck drawing straws when you got names like Heyward-Bey, Charlie Murphy, Chuck Norris, fuckin STRYKER!?!? HAAH

And that goon at the end, the TE, yeah thats Tom Cables pick, all the way. Gotta love the cornfed red head farm boy..lol

I do think Bey was the right choice over Crabtree for us. And Im excited to see Mitchell knock a mother fucker out. Cant remember the last time you heard a fool put the ooooooooooooo' in Oakland.

Fuckin hilarious Don!

I will agree on the Crabtree comment. If we had to take a receiver, Crabs apparently didn't wanna be here so it doesn't matter to me who best wideout on paper is. DHB was the best wideout for us.

[Miklo]

Fuckin hilarious Don!

I will agree on the Crabtree comment. If we had to take a receiver, Crabs apparently didn't wanna be here so it doesn't matter to me who best wideout on paper is. DHB was the best wideout for us.

I have pushed hard for Crabtree for a couple months now, but after reading what at least 3 teams said about their meetings with him, seeing his reaction when the Raiders passed on him, I think we ultimately made the right choice.

My main problem with DHB is that I feel we could have traded down and picked him later. I like DHB as a player, the one bad aspect I hear of his game is he has inconsistent hands, but then again I (nor the majority of the others who always bring this up) have even seen this, so I'll wait 'til I see him in action to actually bitch about his hands like I have firsthand experience on them.

This draft overall for me was just whatever. It wasn't as horrible as people make it out to be, but it wasn't very good either. We got some high-character guys, some fast-ass guys, but we never addressed our run defense, which was a tie for priority #1 (with adding a wideout) to me.

[Sonny Cheeba]

I still don't buy the notion that Crabtree didn't want to be here. Yeah he smirked when we passed on him, but what does that really mean? Maybe he was smirking and thinking "Ha, fuckin dummies, y'all are gonna regret passing on me." It could go either way.

And I just look at the Bungles....they got two great impact players that will be instant starters. Then they got great value in the 3rd round picking Michael Johnson, someone who obviously could bust, but could also turn out to be the biggest steal of the draft.

[Jake]

I have pushed hard for Crabtree for a couple months now, but after reading what at least 3 teams said about their meetings with him, seeing his reaction when the Raiders passed on him, I think we ultimately made the right choice.

My main problem with DHB is that I feel we could have traded down and picked him later. I like DHB as a player, the one bad aspect I hear of his game is he has inconsistent hands, but then again I (nor the majority of the others who always bring this up) have even seen this, so I'll wait 'til I see him in action to actually bitch about his hands like I have firsthand experience on them.

This draft overall for me was just whatever. It wasn't as horrible as people make it out to be, but it wasn't very good either. We got some high-character guys, some fast-ass guys, but we never addressed our run defense, which was a tie for priority #1 (with adding a wideout) to me.

I agree kyh0. Exactly what I would of posted had I elaborated more. Good post!

[iceman4444]

I agree kyh0. Exactly what I would of posted had I elaborated more. Good post!

Whatever; i'm so sick of these overhyped NFL combines and interviews.

Some act like they are geniuses by bringing up these stupid over analyzed points.

The Raider never gave a rip about personalities and attitudes before; they wanted football players. If the Raiders picked Hannah Montana I think some of you would say she has an upside; unreal.

Ted Hendricks was considered a difficult nut job; STabler a womanizer that didn't follow the rules; Alzado who supposedly was a selfish a-hole; Jerry Rice who was a washed up diva supposedly; Todd Christensen who was arrogant; Tatum and Atkinson who were supposedly thugs; Matuscak who wouldn't take any direction or follow rules or authority. the list is long and deep.

I'm so friggin sick of every year since Ron Wolf left having to look at these pathetic drafts. Why do you think the Raiders are the only team in history with five eleven loss season in a row? stockpiling of talent?

They drafted bench players; and some not very good.

It's good to see some actually getting it and realizing the truth; nothing is going to change for some though; it's obvious.

Like Morgan Freeman said in Shawshank; Hope can be a very dangerous thing. The Raiders suck; and they prove it; and so do the drafts that make them suck.

If Mike Singletary has no problem taking Crabtree then the idiot Raiders should not have; this is football; not a tea party.

[Jake]

Whatever; i'm so sick of these overhyped NFL combines and interviews.

Some act like they are geniuses by bringing up these stupid over analyzed points.

The Raider never gave a rip about personalities and attitudes before; they wanted football players. If the Raiders picked Hannah Montana I think some of you would say she has an upside; unreal.

Ted Hendricks was considered a difficult nut job; STabler a womanizer that didn't follow the rules; Alzado who supposedly was a selfish a-hole; Jerry Rice who was a washed up diva supposedly; Todd Christensen who was arrogant; Tatum and Atkinson who were supposedly thugs; Matuscak who wouldn't take any direction or follow rules or authority. the list is long and deep.

I'm so friggin sick of every year since Ron Wolf left having to look at these pathetic drafts. Why do you think the Raiders are the only team in history with five eleven loss season in a row? stockpiling of talent?

They drafted bench players; and some not very good.

It's good to see some actually getting it and realizing the truth; nothing is going to change for some though; it's obvious.

Like Morgan Freeman said in Shawshank; Hope can be a very dangerous thing. The Raiders suck; and they prove it; and so do the drafts that make them suck.

If Mike Singletary has no problem taking Crabtree then the idiot Raiders should not have; this is football; not a tea party.

LOL. Preaching to the choir dude, but you just disrespected every name you mentioned by lumping prima donna Micheal friggin Crabtree in with that group.

You wanna be angry with something be angry at the system and the league for giving us this watered down product we have today and pussifying the league to the point we're at today.

[Miklo]

Whatever; i'm so sick of these overhyped NFL combines and interviews.

Some act like they are geniuses by bringing up these stupid over analyzed points.

The Raider never gave a rip about personalities and attitudes before; they wanted football players. If the Raiders picked Hannah Montana I think some of you would say she has an upside; unreal.

Ted Hendricks was considered a difficult nut job; STabler a womanizer that didn't follow the rules; Alzado who supposedly was a selfish a-hole; Jerry Rice who was a washed up diva supposedly; Todd Christensen who was arrogant; Tatum and Atkinson who were supposedly thugs; Matuscak who wouldn't take any direction or follow rules or authority. the list is long and deep.

I'm so friggin sick of every year since Ron Wolf left having to look at these pathetic drafts. Why do you think the Raiders are the only team in history with five eleven loss season in a row? stockpiling of talent?

They drafted bench players; and some not very good.

It's good to see some actually getting it and realizing the truth; nothing is going to change for some though; it's obvious.

Like Morgan Freeman said in Shawshank; Hope can be a very dangerous thing. The Raiders suck; and they prove it; and so do the drafts that make them suck.

If Mike Singletary has no problem taking Crabtree then the idiot Raiders should not have; this is football; not a tea party.

First of all, we didn't even draft Hendricks, Alzado, Matuszak, or Jerry Rice. These were guys we brought in to help our team after establishing themselves elsewhere. Huge difference. We're talking about the draft here, stay on topic.

Next, we drafted George Atkinson in the 7th round. Lucky shot, how was us picking him in the 7th an example of "stockpiling talent?" Point mooted.

The NFL is a different world nowadays, whether you choose to accept it or not. You can't have criminals on your team anymore. You think Vick would have gone to jail had he been on one of the Raiders' Superbowl-winning teams? Doubtful. The NFL has weakened the product they put on the field to the point where if a QB gets dust sprayed on him there is likely to be a flag. Don't blame us, blame the league. I'd love to have some headhunters, but the league doesn't work like that anymore.

You wanna talk about people thinking they are geniuses...give me a break. You only show up on draft day to talk about how shitty our draft was, or to talk about how you wanted Larry Fitzgerald. Congratu-fuckin-lations. I wanted Sean Taylor, but I don't go into every single thread proclaiming my genius.

These guys haven't even played one down in the NFL yet, and you are already talking about how horrible this draft is. You say you're sick of the overhyped combines, etc. and yet you are the one buying into their draft stock without even giving them a chance to prove themselves in the NFL? I'd hate to read what you wrote when the Raiders selected Nnamdi.

Personally, I think Singletary will be good for Crabtree. You know if Crabtree tries to act like a diva, Singletary's ass will be out of his shorts in less than a second. He won't put up with any of that crap; I think he believes he can handle that type of player, and he's probably right. He's done a good job with Vernon Davis so far in that regard.

Bottom line, stop being a hypocrite. Your opinion is no better than anyone else's. Stop cutting and pasting the same statements over and over and passing them off as fact. I already stated that I don't think this was a very good draft for us, in terms of value, since I think we left a lot of talent on the board and could have traded down to stockpile picks and still get some of the guys we wanted (specifically Heyward-Bey), but I can't make the argument that we didn't get what we wanted. But then, what about teams like the Patriots? They always take who they want, regardless of value, and not you, nor anyone else, can predict how good a player was, so quit acting like your opinion is gold because it really isn't.

I await your reply mentioning Larry Fitzgerald and multiple semi-colons, and a blatant disregard for facts or sources.

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Ted Hendricks was considered a difficult nut job; STabler a womanizer that didn't follow the rules; Alzado who supposedly was a selfish a-hole; Jerry Rice who was a washed up diva supposedly; Todd Christensen who was arrogant; Tatum and Atkinson who were supposedly thugs; Matuscak who wouldn't take any direction or follow rules or authority. the list is long and deep.



Would be a valid argument had it been 1970 and the politics of the game remained unchanged, however, it isn't and hasn't.

Next argument...

Also, you bring up Ron Wolf again and again.. The man is 73. Leave him alone. LOL

jeez.

[Jake]

It fuckin kills me when people bring up the 70's and 80's and how rough and tough we were as if every single Raider fan in the world doesn't long for those days and wish it was the same. So original.

Oh and then they go on to accuse Al of living in the past. Classic fence riding! haha

[yayarea_raider]

We might have grabbed three starters if we are lucky from this draft.

Did Tom Cable pick ONE player in this draft? Actually I don't want to know but I have a good guess.

They take two guys who MIGHT be able to play SLB for us...and a couple of rush DE's...HELLO?

STOP THE RUN? PROTECT THE QB?

I like the first two picks, although they were reaches to some degree.

Dwaine Board has his work cut out for him, and they must think Sands can be the guy in the middle-because if I have to see Gerard Warren start at NT again Im gonna flip.

If the Raiders don't score TD's like they say they need to, they'll be lucky to win 5 games this year AGAIN. If your defensive line doesn't have at least role players, your team will struggle.


You know everyone wants to go "Oooh and Awwww" and "Let's score a million points"


Fukin stupid if you ask me. You don't have the talent to stop ppl...Defense wins championships. Just ask the Saints, because they got A GREAT OFFENSE...nothing to show for on defense most the time and they were better than our defense last year.

It's good and all to BE ABLE to score points, but how abpout PREVENTING THEM?

Al doesn't think that through, and he gets roweled up over 40 times instead of actual football players. The Raiders front office IS a joke, and it will be as long as Davis is there. I think he made all of our draft picks the fukin nut.

I hope we score hella points because as it's gonna be a nightmare (like it has been) if we can't with how the run defense will be. Too many pass rushers, not enough big guys.



Draft Grade: D

[Sonny Cheeba]

Just wondering, but where did the "Crabtree is a diva" stuff come from? Because he said no comment when bigjayboogie asked him about the Raiders? Doesn't make any sense, because nobody was mentioning a damn thing about his character up until about 3 or 4 days ago.....ankle injury (which he played with all year BTW), straight line 40 speed, those were his question marks.

And it's worth mentioning that the whiners are beyond ecstatic to have him on their team. Singletary was on NFL Network saying they did NOT expect him to be there, but when he fell, it was a no-brainer to jump all over him. Now if we pass on DHB, you think the whiners take him? Hell fuckin no.

[TAPE]

Just wondering, but where did the "Crabtree is a diva" stuff come from? Because he said no comment when bigjayboogie asked him about the Raiders? Doesn't make any sense, because nobody was mentioning a damn thing about his character up until about 3 or 4 days ago.....ankle injury (which he played with all year BTW), straight line 40 speed, those were his question marks.

And it's worth mentioning that the whiners are beyond ecstatic to have him on their team. Singletary was on NFL Network saying they did NOT expect him to be there, but when he fell, it was a no-brainer to jump all over him.

I really dont know where it came from either...

I never heard anything anout his character until a weel before the draft...

But, that being said... The reports were coming from more than a few camps.... So, it had to be a valid concern.

[yayarea_raider]

Just wondering, but where did the "Crabtree is a diva" stuff come from? Because he said no comment when bigjayboogie asked him about the Raiders? Doesn't make any sense, because nobody was mentioning a damn thing about his character up until about 3 or 4 days ago.....ankle injury (which he played with all year BTW), straight line 40 speed, those were his question marks.

And it's worth mentioning that the whiners are beyond ecstatic to have him on their team. Singletary was on NFL Network saying they did NOT expect him to be there, but when he fell, it was a no-brainer to jump all over him. Now if we pass on DHB, you think the whiners take him? Hell fuckin no.

DHB will adjust faster, and is more of a system fit. He was a reach at 7, but Al doesn't care even though he should of traded down

[Jake]

Just wondering, but where did the "Crabtree is a diva" stuff come from? Because he said no comment when bigjayboogie asked him about the Raiders? Doesn't make any sense, because nobody was mentioning a damn thing about his character up until about 3 or 4 days ago.....ankle injury (which he played with all year BTW), straight line 40 speed, those were his question marks.

And it's worth mentioning that the whiners are beyond ecstatic to have him on their team. Singletary was on NFL Network saying they did NOT expect him to be there, but when he fell, it was a no-brainer to jump all over him. Now if we pass on DHB, you think the whiners take him? Hell fuckin no.

Well after we picked DHB the NFLN camera went to the Crabtree camp and Crabs and the dude to his right (dad?) looked at each other and dude did the wipe the hand over his fore head move and said "pheew" and they both cracked up.

That plus the reports that came in give me a pretty good idea of what the dude is about.

[TAPE]

Well after we picked DHB the NFLN camera went to the Crabtree camp and Crabs and the dude to his right (dad?) looked at each other and dude did the wipe the hand over his fore head move and said "pheew" and they both cracked up.

That plus the reports that came in give me a pretty good idea of what the dude is about.


yea that was completely classless.... Talk about just being grateful to have an opportunity that anyone in this world would near die for...

fuck him...

I wish him the worst in SF

[raidersforlife]

DHB will adjust faster, and is more of a system fit. He was a reach at 7, but Al doesn't care even though he should of traded down

QFT.

[silver & black]

DHB will adjust faster, and is more of a system fit. He was a reach at 7, but Al doesn't care even though he should of traded down
And what system would it be that the Raiders use, that he will adjust quickly too?

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shoulda, coulda, woulda....

Its easy to say :Hey, Im going to go out and sell my cock"

Go head and try it

[yayarea_raider]

QFT.

what does that mean?

[TAPE]

what does that mean?

im going to go out on a limb and say it means "QUIT FUCKING TYPING"

just a whirl.

[Sonny Cheeba]

That's cool though, still would have taken him without hesitation. I don't give a fuck if he would rather be elsewhere, you're getting paid a lot of money, man the fuck up and play. I'm sure other rookies would have rather ended up on another team but that's the nature of the draft.

Still can't shake the feeling that we momumentally fucked up our first two picks.

[Sonny Cheeba]

QFT=quoted for truth. He agrees with you don't trip lol. :hi:

[yayarea_raider]

And what system would it be that the Raiders use, that he will adjust quickly too?

I'm talking deep threat, fast WR that won't not be able to be overthrown. He's supposedly a decent run blocker as well, and you need that here with McFadden and Higgins.

From what I understand DHB was in a more NFL pro offense than Crabtree or Maclin, who both came from the spread offense. So he has an edge there in terms of routes, but will have to still work on them. He doesn't have a me first attitude either, a team player-whic is what the raiders were looking for with their first couple picks in DHB and Mitchell.

Guys who will make the players around them better. He is a better system fit because AL wants to go vertical, and Crabtree to him doesn't have the speed to have that threat.

[Jimi18]

Just wondering, but where did the "Crabtree is a diva" stuff come from? Because he said no comment when bigjayboogie asked him about the Raiders? Doesn't make any sense, because nobody was mentioning a damn thing about his character up until about 3 or 4 days ago.....ankle injury (which he played with all year BTW), straight line 40 speed, those were his question marks.

And it's worth mentioning that the whiners are beyond ecstatic to have him on their team. Singletary was on NFL Network saying they did NOT expect him to be there, but when he fell, it was a no-brainer to jump all over him. Now if we pass on DHB, you think the whiners take him? Hell fuckin no.

The Giants were eyeballing him, but that was when he was projected maybe the 4th best WR. but Crabtree said "Thank You" and his siblings all laughed when we pasted on him, he never wanted to be here, and would had held out, cause i am sure he would ask for much more than the Raiders would pay him.. i like to see how long it takes SF to sign him? but..??

we do not need a guy coming in here thinking he will sell a record number of Jerseys, we need a guy who wants to be a WR in the NFL.
I am not sayong yeah or nay, but all i will say is wait until we see them on the field, then we can determine if they are a bust or not.
all the draft is, are a bunch of GuRus who add points to players, and try to determine a value. so instead of going to Carls Jr/Hardees for a $3 burger, they went to wendys and grabbed a few 99 cent double stacks :)

[yayarea_raider]

im going to go out on a limb and say it means "QUIT FUCKING TYPING"

just a whirl.

dam bump don't hate

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dam bump don't hate

hahahahah

dhb > crabtree

[yayarea_raider]

so instead of going to Carls Jr/Hardees for a $3 burger, they went to wendys and grabbed a few 99 cent double stacks :)

I hate the way you put that cause Wendys 99c double stacks SUCK

[silver & black]

I'm talking deep threat, fast WR that won't not be able to be overthrown. He's supposedly a decent run blocker as well, and you need that here with McFadden and Higgins.

From what I understand DHB was in a more NFL pro offense than Crabtree or Maclin, who both came from the spread offense. So he has an edge there in terms of routes, but will have to still work on them. He doesn't have a me first attitude either, a team player-whic is what the raiders were looking for with their first couple picks in DHB and Mitchell.

Guys who will make the players around them better. He is a better system fit because AL wants to go vertical, and Crabtree to him doesn't have the speed to have that threat.

I'm not going to pretend that I know a lot about DHB... other than what I've dug up on Google. He doesn't sound like anything great, from what I've read. He got an "honerable mention" in the ACC? Whatever. It seems he all but disappeared in a couple of games, and went a couple without even one catch. Seems like all Al saw was speed, because he sounds very average from what I've read about him.

I don't understand where this deep threat comes in when discussing the Raiders. In order for there to be any kind of deep threat, there has to be protection for your QB. As it stands, there is no way DHB will have the time to get down the field before JR is running for his life... deep threat is moot. I hope that changes this year with Henderson and Barnes competeing for the LT spot. We shall see. I won't hold my breath though.

[Miklo]

Just wondering, but where did the "Crabtree is a diva" stuff come from? Because he said no comment when bigjayboogie asked him about the Raiders? Doesn't make any sense, because nobody was mentioning a damn thing about his character up until about 3 or 4 days ago.....ankle injury (which he played with all year BTW), straight line 40 speed, those were his question marks.

And it's worth mentioning that the whiners are beyond ecstatic to have him on their team. Singletary was on NFL Network saying they did NOT expect him to be there, but when he fell, it was a no-brainer to jump all over him. Now if we pass on DHB, you think the whiners take him? Hell fuckin no.

Well, at least 3 teams that met with him were turned off after meeting with him, due to his attitude.

BTW, I'm listening to Tom Cable's post-draft press conference...he sounds a lot like he handled more of this draft than most give him credit for. "I'm gonna take a statement from Bill Walsh: When you find a player you want, go get him. And that's what I did." He says he didn't worry about the detractors, etc. He mentions one of the guys he drafted, as soon as he told him he was coming to the Raiders, he asked for the strength coach's number, and if he could get on special teams - that's the type player he was looking for.

[David]

Well, at least 3 teams that met with him were turned off after meeting with him, due to his attitude.

BTW, I'm listening to Tom Cable's post-draft press conference...he sounds a lot like he handled more of this draft than most give him credit for. "I'm gonna take a statement from Bill Walsh: When you find a player you want, go get him. And that's what I did." He says he didn't worry about the detractors, etc. He mentions one of the guys he drafted, as soon as he told him he was coming to the Raiders, he asked for the strength coach's number, and if he could get on special teams - that's the type player he was looking for.

either tom cable is a great liar....

or he is the idiot people thought davis was...

[iceman4444]

I'm talking deep threat, fast WR that won't not be able to be overthrown. He's supposedly a decent run blocker as well, and you need that here with McFadden and Higgins.

From what I understand DHB was in a more NFL pro offense than Crabtree or Maclin, who both came from the spread offense. So he has an edge there in terms of routes, but will have to still work on them. He doesn't have a me first attitude either, a team player-whic is what the raiders were looking for with their first couple picks in DHB and Mitchell.

Guys who will make the players around them better. He is a better system fit because AL wants to go vertical, and Crabtree to him doesn't have the speed to have that threat.

BLAH BLAH BLAH; this is what we've heard for years; it's bull crap.

I watched Bey play 5 games and he's clueless out there; his best route is to run as fast as he can upfield. The Raiders have guys just as fast on the team now; hows that working.

In a four game stretch he caught 7 balls total; SEVEN; he was shut out in 2 games. The ACC was pathetic this year.

Also I want these guys to do a 40 in pads; not in shorts.

football speed and track speed are different.

it's a pathetic pick but some of the lemmings will agree with whatever Al Does; they've been doing it for years telling us how great these players are and 90% of the time they are wrong, just like Al.

In fact in the Lindy report which evaluates each position, Bey was listed as the 16th top WR. This is a joke.

[yayarea_raider]

BLAH BLAH BLAH; this is what we've heard for years; it's bull crap.

I watched Bey play 5 games and he's clueless out there; his best route is to run as fast as he can upfield. The Raiders have guys just as fast on the team now; hows that working.

In a four game stretch he caught 7 balls total; SEVEN; he was shut out in 2 games. The ACC was pathetic this year.

Also I want these guys to do a 40 in pads; not in shorts.

football speed and track speed are different.

it's a pathetic pick but some of the lemmings will agree with whatever Al Does; they've been doing it for years telling us how great these players are and 90% of the time they are wrong, just like Al.

In fact in the Lindy report which evaluates each position, Bey was listed as the 16th top WR. This is a joke.

It could be. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Miklo]

Where's Ron Wolf?!

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In fact in the Lindy report which evaluates each position, Bey was listed as the 16th top WR. This is a joke.


From the 16th best scouting report out there LOL


stop bitchin ice.

[Sonny Cheeba]

Well, at least 3 teams that met with him were turned off after meeting with him, due to his attitude.

BTW, I'm listening to Tom Cable's post-draft press conference...he sounds a lot like he handled more of this draft than most give him credit for. "I'm gonna take a statement from Bill Walsh: When you find a player you want, go get him. And that's what I did." He says he didn't worry about the detractors, etc. He mentions one of the guys he drafted, as soon as he told him he was coming to the Raiders, he asked for the strength coach's number, and if he could get on special teams - that's the type player he was looking for.
If Tom had a choice in the matter, you think he'd take a project WR over a highly graded OT like Monroe? Or even Raji? Me neither.

[cheapshotartist]

Whatever; i'm so sick of these overhyped NFL combines and interviews.

Some act like they are geniuses by bringing up these stupid over analyzed points.

The Raider never gave a rip about personalities and attitudes before; they wanted football players. If the Raiders picked Hannah Montana I think some of you would say she has an upside; unreal.

Ted Hendricks was considered a difficult nut job; STabler a womanizer that didn't follow the rules; Alzado who supposedly was a selfish a-hole; Jerry Rice who was a washed up diva supposedly; Todd Christensen who was arrogant; Tatum and Atkinson who were supposedly thugs; Matuscak who wouldn't take any direction or follow rules or authority. the list is long and deep.

I'm so friggin sick of every year since Ron Wolf left having to look at these pathetic drafts. Why do you think the Raiders are the only team in history with five eleven loss season in a row? stockpiling of talent?

They drafted bench players; and some not very good.

It's good to see some actually getting it and realizing the truth; nothing is going to change for some though; it's obvious.

Like Morgan Freeman said in Shawshank; Hope can be a very dangerous thing. The Raiders suck; and they prove it; and so do the drafts that make them suck.

If Mike Singletary has no problem taking Crabtree then the idiot Raiders should not have; this is football; not a tea party.

I agree Ice nothing is ever going to change in Oakland. As some people say Al is the Raiders and the Raiders are Al and Al and the Raiders are f*cked up.
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[cheapshotartist]

I'm talking deep threat, fast WR that won't not be able to be overthrown. He's supposedly a decent run blocker as well, and you need that here with McFadden and Higgins.

From what I understand DHB was in a more NFL pro offense than Crabtree or Maclin, who both came from the spread offense. So he has an edge there in terms of routes, but will have to still work on them. He doesn't have a me first attitude either, a team player-whic is what the raiders were looking for with their first couple picks in DHB and Mitchell.

Guys who will make the players around them better. He is a better system fit because AL wants to go vertical, and Crabtree to him doesn't have the speed to have that threat.

It's hard to go vertical when your QB is on his back. We had the chance to get a franchise LT and we passed for a fast WR. We have two stiffs fighting to be our LT, Henderson whose claim to fame is beating out Kwame Harris and some dude named Barnes on a one year contract. If we were going to take a WR we should have taken Crabtree or Macklin. The draft is over and we have Bey so as usual I'll support the team but I don't see us winning more than 3-4 games this season. (Again)
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[Poke]

Do the Raiders even have scouts? I mean how come other teams seem to get better but the Raiders keep drafting mediocure to less than average talent? WHY?

[cheapshotartist]

Do the Raiders even have scouts? I mean how come other teams seem to get better but the Raiders keep drafting mediocure to less than average talent? WHY?

Not only do we keep drafting stiffs but we draft them in the first round and have to pay them first round money. Nephew this :shit: is never going to change. Did you hear Cable kissing Al's azz at the press conference? Cable is running his mouth but he needs to stop getting :shit: twisted. If we don't win who does he think will be the first one fired. Al? the players? or the Head Coach?
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[BigPrimo]

Not only do we keep drafting stiffs but we draft them in the first round and have to pay them first round money. Nephew this :shit: is never going to change. Did you hear Cable kissing Al's azz at the press conference? Cable is running his mouth but he needs to stop getting :shit: twisted. If we don't win who does he think will be the first one fired. Al? the players? or the Head Coach?
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well to their credit i think we got the best safety in college it just so happens that he went to a small school and noone did any homework on him, ha we even got an apology from Mayock for bashning on us about him. DHB was a reach so i dont know what to tell you there cept for just wish and pray he second coming of randy moss without the attitude.

[Big O Dick]

People keep mentioning Moss...not just here but on TV, other sites. Look, Moss was here. It didnt work then. The whole 1970s philosophy doesnt work anymore. Its all about getting 1st downs and TDs. Defenses have got better and more athletic so the NFL teams, besides the Raiders, have adapted to more horizontal offenses. Our philosophy is out dated!!! Run the ball, suck up the D and throw it over their heads...nope. Not in this day and age. GET 1st DOWNS, quit trying to hit homeruns on every play!

[Skern]

My reaction to the pick was pissed off!! But he is now a Raider so I have no other choice to support him and hope he proves people wrong. Do I agree with the pick? NO! But hey it's Al Davis we should have expected it. :banghead

[RaiderzVixen]

Im unhappy with our picks, but it is what it is....with Al still in charge nothings going to change :punch:

[cheapshotartist]

well to their credit i think we got the best safety in college it just so happens that he went to a small school and noone did any homework on him, ha we even got an apology from Mayock for bashning on us about him. DHB was a reach so i dont know what to tell you there cept for just wish and pray he second coming of randy moss without the attitude.

Only time will tell If these guys can play but only the Oakland Raiders would draft them this high. And If we did get the best Safety in the draft why did he last until our second round pick? Your telling me that all the top Safetys were invited to the combine except him? Come on BigPrimo this guy may turn out to be a baller but he was not the best safety in college football last season.
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[cheapshotartist]

My reaction to the pick was pissed off!! But he is now a Raider so I have no other choice to support him and hope he proves people wrong. Do I agree with the pick? NO! But hey it's Al Davis we should have expected it. :banghead

Why does DHB have to prove anything to us? Al is the one who needs to justify this pick not DHB. If he sucks he just sucks who was the fool who drafted him that high?
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[Skern]

Why does DHB have to prove anything to us? Al is the one who needs to justify this pick not DHB. If he sucks he just sucks who was the fool who drafted him that high?
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I meant to prove all the analyst who are talking down on him wrong. I'm sure he hears what they say. He is the only one who can prove through his play which in return will reflect on Al's pick.

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DHB will be fine... Al's philosophy is you can teach guys football... and he is absolutely right about that.

the one thing you can never teach is speed...

Now if Al would bring the right teachers in and/or stick with them is a whole different story.

[JRaider17]

DHB will be fine... Al's philosophy is you can teach guys football... and he is absolutely right about that.

the one thing you can never teach is speed...

Now if Al would bring the right teachers in and/or stick with them is a whole different story.

Its all about the coaches, every player has talent, its the coaches job to try and bring it all out.

[Jimi18]

I hate the way you put that cause Wendys 99c double stacks SUCK

well, that's about as close to in and out i can get.. the 99 cent bacon double is good, but my point is, you can pay $6 for one, or 99cents for one, but all in all your still paying for a cheesburger.

the one we got may not have best quality, but who knows if they one we may had got, didn't have salmonella? :)

[Poke]

Shit is just frustrating. Year after year same ole stupid ass shit. Now we that live in the bay area gotta look at the 49ers laugh cuz we passed up the best WR in college football for his dude. Ground hog day!

[Jimi18]

Only time will tell If these guys can play but only the Oakland Raiders would draft them this high. And If we did get the best Safety in the draft why did he last until our second round pick? Your telling me that all the top Safetys were invited to the combine except him? Come on BigPrimo this guy may turn out to be a baller but he was not the best safety in college football last season.
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Time will tell is the key CSA, i was thinking last night, seems the only times i really get upset with our draft, is when i look back 2-3 drafts ago, and see a player doing really well, knowing we could of got him, but we have some turd instead, or not even have the guy any more.. then i say, FUK.. but right now, it is too early for me to tell if these are good or bad picks.. only looks bad on Value and points, not yet to see how they perform.
I still say we would of had a hard time getting Crabtree signed by camp

[RaiderzVixen]

Shit is just frustrating. Year after year same ole stupid ass shit. Now we that live in the bay area gotta look at the 49ers laugh cuz we passed up the best WR in college football for his dude. Ground hog day!

Exactly! My thoughts exactly! What a slap in the face the niners got Crabtree! I thought about you guys having to go thru that sh*t, Poke!!

[Poke]

Exactly! My thoughts exactly! What a slap in the face the niners got Crabtree! I thought about you guys having to go thru that sh*t, Poke!!

Im right here in SF at work. People been lauging all day. I laugh with. Al Davis is a mental patient. I mean who the hell makes these sorry picks over and over and over again. If it ain't Al then people should be fired. Whatever I don't even care no more. Im going to the MNF opening and if the bums get blown out again then I damn sure ain't paying money to see non of these monkeys again. Al Davis can get his money from other people. Won't be me!

[TAPE]

Shit is just frustrating. Year after year same ole stupid ass shit. Now we that live in the bay area gotta look at the 49ers laugh cuz we passed up the best WR in college football for his dude. Ground hog day!

Poke you have to try and remember something.... the raiders sucking goes WAY beynd the draft.

Look.... Dallas, the Rams, the Bucs, all sucked after winning SB's

Sure, maybe not as bad as Oakland, but they have had some pretty bad years... for almost a long stretch as Oakland..

Everything that happens to Oakland is magnifyed... I will say that shit again...

EVERYTHING the Raiders do is magnifyed...

We are 7 years removed from a SB appearance which is really not that bad...the only thing is, Al is going to get it to work his way. He proved it can be done.

The reach of the draft might just have been Darrius Heyward Bey but it wasn't the first by Oakland or any other team.... And it won't be the last by Oakland or any other team....

What would have happened if we tookl Crabtree and he busted?

Would the boards be filled with talk like Gallery and Huff? Two players projected to go in their respective slots who didn't do shit?

It don't matter where or who was drafted. Its the end result.

Talking shit before the fact is useless. It does nothing.

Raiders have just had bad luck drafting!

[DED]

Hopefully he's no Troy Williamson and unlucky #7.

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Oh btw..... Gallery is an awesome guard.. he just didn't do shit at T.

[RaiderzVixen]

Im right here in SF at work. People been lauging all day. I laugh with. Al Davis is a mental patient. I mean who the hell makes these sorry picks over and over and over again. If it ain't Al then people should be fired. Whatever I don't even care no more. Im going to the MNF opening and if the bums get blown out again then I damn sure ain't paying money to see non of these monkeys again. Al Davis can get his money from other people. Won't be me!

I feel you Poke! I got 2 games planned so far...but if we start f*cking away our season AGAIN, I wont be attending any other games this season. There comes a time when enuffs enuff AL! My stomach a was ill when I seen the niners snagged Crabtree! I started drinking myself to delirium!

[silver & black]

Forget Crabtree. How do you pass up Raji... Orakpo... Maualuga... Monroe... and whomever else was still there, that escapes me at the moment, for DHB!? I'm not mad at taking DHB. I'm pissed about wasting the #7 pick on him! There was MUCH better talent sitting there for the taking! It just blows me away!

[Big O Dick]

Forget Crabtree. How do you pass up Raji... Orakpo... Maualuga... Monroe... and whomever else was still there, that escapes me at the moment, for DHB!? I'm not mad at taking DHB. I'm pissed about wasting the #7 pick on him! There was MUCH better talent sitting there for the taking! It just blows me away!

This is my exact feelings on the whole situation. Not that we got DHB, but the talent we passed to get him.

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Simple....

Mauluga is a 2 down backer in the NFL.... do u think Mauluga isn't a reach at #7??

Mauluga was a HUGE reach @ 7...

Orakpo may have been a 34 rush backer. I personally feel he should have been the pick and think he will be a fine 43 DE. The issue with him is that he has an 80% motor... We have enough of those guys on our DLINE already...

Monroe wasn't drafter and I wouldn't have been upset if he was... But you can lay testamament to how highgly regarded Super Mario is on the non drafting of Monroe alone.

Raji would have filled a major need... Not sure what the reason for passing him up was.. Might have been his questionable judgement... Might have been his motor... they obviously saw something they didn't like.

DHB is a fine pick with me... very possible he didn't make it past 15.... Very likely that he passed Maclin on some peoples boards

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Simple....

Mauluga is a 2 down backer in the NFL.... do u think Mauluga isn't a reach at #7??

Mauluga was a HUGE reach @ 7...

Orakpo may have been a 34 rush backer. I personally feel he should have been the pick and think he will be a fine 43 DE. The issue with him is that he has an 80% motor... We have enough of those guys on our DLINE already...

Monroe wasn't drafter and I wouldn't have been upset if he was... But you can lay testamament to how highgly regarded Super Mario is on the non drafting of Monroe alone.

Raji would have filled a major need... Not sure what the reason for passing him up was.. Might have been his questionable judgement... Might have been his motor... they obviously saw something they didn't like.

DHB is a fine pick with me... very possible he didn't make it past 15.... Very likely that he passed Maclin on some peoples boards

[Miklo]

Voice of reason on here Bump...

Like it or not, they are Raiders now. They haven't played one down in the NFL, so why bring them down before they've even had 1 game? At least wait til like week 6 to talk shit about them.

[silver & black]

Voice of reason on here Bump...

Like it or not, they are Raiders now. They haven't played one down in the NFL, so why bring them down before they've even had 1 game? At least wait til like week 6 to talk shit about them.

I'm not bringing any of them down. I'll support them as long as they are Raiders. I'm just voicing my disgust with the draft in general. I'll wait to see what these guys do before I bag on any of them.

[cheapshotartist]

I'm not bringing any of them down. I'll support them as long as they are Raiders. I'm just voicing my disgust with the draft in general. I'll wait to see what these guys do before I bag on any of them.

Word! I'm not pissed at the players I'm pissed at what we left on the table to draft who we did. These guys may end up being great but we had a chance to get a franchise LT and we passed. We could have drafted a good young DT and we passed. I heard Cable say that our defensive and offensive lines are ok. I don't think so but maybe they are.....time will tell.
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[BigPrimo]

Only time will tell If these guys can play but only the Oakland Raiders would draft them this high. And If we did get the best Safety in the draft why did he last until our second round pick? Your telling me that all the top Safetys were invited to the combine except him? Come on BigPrimo this guy may turn out to be a baller but he was not the best safety in college football last season.
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I answered that question, he got overlooked like a lot of athletes do for going to a small school. I just like teh way he plays, like the old school safties did before we got into this ballhawk only, run stop in the box only guys. I think this guy will be able to do both. Remember its just my opinion not fact, he still has to go out and do it on teh field and hes gonna get his chance.

BUt i can tell you there are guys who for what ever reason out there that are better that MJ in basketball but again for what ever reason they didnt get a chance. Theres probably a guy sitting in prison right now who could very well be the best footabll player known t man but we will never know because he made a bad choice and/or decisions.

My point is this guy can play safety and i just happen to think that he will pan out for us. The one thing this guy is is what we need and thats a FOOTBALL PLAYER.

[cheapshotartist]

^^ I hope your right, time will tell.:csa: