ESPN is truly messed up here talking about Heyward-Bey

[yayarea_raider]

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they trash him, then bring him on...I just saw this so I figured I'd post it.

Jackson and Carter...c'mon. It was a reach but sh!t

[Tió Nook Nook]

Do it big on the field, DHB.

[yayarea_raider]

Do it big on the field, DHB.

just more motivation. He didn't look to happy to talk to them or when Kolber said he was kind of a "surprise" pick like no one knew who he was. I would not have talked to those pricks.


Seriously, that is darn right cruel to trash a rookie who has talent to go in the 1st because he A) went to the Raiders and B) Gone early than expected

usually I'm used to ESPn and other hating on the Raiders...but sh!t they straight were down right UNPROFESSIONAL and cruel there.

I hope DHB shows everyone wrong who doubts him

[The Man]

just more motivation. He didn't look to happy to talk to them or when Kolber said he was kind of a "surprise" pick like no one knew who he was. I would not have talked to those pricks.


Seriously, that is darn right cruel to trash a rookie who has talent to go in the 1st because he A) went to the Raiders and B) Gone early than expected

usually I'm used to ESPn and other hating on the Raiders...but sh!t they straight were down right UNPROFESSIONAL and cruel there.

I hope DHB shows everyone wrong who doubts him

That is what pissed me off the most. He was pretty much a lock to go in the first round, he just happened to go in the top 10. Can't wait for him to catch his first 80 yard TD against the Chargers.

[Don]

Paul Hackett is NOT the passing game coordinator. And the snicker in the interview is jacked up at 3:36..lol

I dont really give a shit, but thats a pretty unprofessional segment altogether.

[Dewn Coon]

that video pissed me off like no other. Fuck ESPN bunch o lazy fat mothafuckas sittin there and laughin shit, I fuckin hated the pick as well, but to make fun of him behind his back then bring him on like that that shit is fucked up, I hope DHB becomes great. And FUCK THAT FAGGOT PUNK MOTHAFUCKA TOM JACKSON.

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thats a big fucking joke.... I hope DHb has a chip and just comes in ready to show what he can do...

How fuckin horrible is that? Trash the kid right before you bring him on....

It's like ESPN has become the Maury Povich or Jerry Springer of sports programing..

I am going to email them and fucking rip them for this, let them know they definitely lost my view.

Im sure they can care less.

[Jerseyboy]

Prove them all wrong, DHB

[-GG-]

This is why I only watched NFL Network draft coverage, and NFLN itself, never ESPN.
They're too unprofessional. While NFLN has good people at heart in Eisen, Faulk, Casserly, Mayock, Gruden, etc. Even when they objected to the Raiders picks, they never tried to disrespect Al, and often said just a different philosophy at the Raiders. Gruden never talk bad at Al either. Sure, deep down they're snickering, and you can see it in their smirks, but on air, they conduct themselves professionally, and also praised DHB, wished him well, and never guffawed or belittled DHB's ability either.

[cheapshotartist]

Who really gives a f**k about what ESPN says about the Raiders? Why do they have to respect us? What have we done to earn some respect? If we want to stop being looked at as a joke we need to start winning some football games and stop all the talking.
:csa:

[East Bay King]

Let's be clear, ESPN televises the draft, they promote it, and they push Kiper and his sidekick Mcshay. It's in their interest to have you believe they know what they are talking about. They employ Carter and Jackson. These were the same experts that said Vince Young and Matt Leinert were sure fire superstars. I can't tell you how sick I am of this draft bashing bullshit! We took who we took. DHB was a first rounder on both Mcshay and Kiper's board, he just went ahead of Crabtree. Who now has already had surgery. They last thing I want is an injury prone reciever who doesn't even want to be in Oakland. He made a big catch against Texas in '08 but dropped the game winner against Oklahoma State in '07. I'm moving on. Jackson hates the Raiders because we owned his ass all through the 70's and 80's and that's a fact. I suppose Carter thinks the Eagles got real draft value out of him when the picked him. Nobody even remembers him being on that squad.

[East Bay King]

You are right on point. ESPN wants you to think that they, along with Kiper and McShay invented the draft. The fact is right now it's popular to bash the Raiders, and it gets them some ratings. They also thought Vince Young, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinert, and Chris Simms were sure fire hits. I'm glad those teams listened to them.

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Who really gives a f**k about what ESPN says about the Raiders? Why do they have to respect us? What have we done to earn some respect? If we want to stop being looked at as a joke we need to start winning some football games and stop all the talking.
:csa:


cheap, this aint about the Raiders at all....

its about a kid who is trying to make a living out of his dream and then a group of PROFESSIONAL sports journalists trash the kid before bringing him on...

DHB didnt ask to be drafted before Crabtree, he didnt beg AL to draft him. He is just a regular dude following the path life laid out for him.

Yet Carter felt compelled to rip this kid down on national tv right before they switch over to DHB who unknowingly was just trashed by the same people who just interviewed him..

Nothing to do with the Raiders and their losing tradition at all.

[East Bay King]

You are right. That's how dirty the media is. ESPN and all their employees love to rub it in on the Nation and their fans. Let's not forget Al Michaels at ABC. He loves to get a dig in at Al whenever he can. They love to show Al when the Raiders are losing. That's just because they know it hurts him to lose. They want to embarass a man who built the league into a powerful business that helps employ them. But notice they still want to feature the Raiders in prime time games like the Monday Night opener. Because they know the nation will represent and give them big ratings. The Raiders used to own Monday Night and they still pull the ratings for ABC, who owns ESPN. Tom Jackson is just jealous of the Raiders because they owned his ass when he was a linebacker for the 70's and 80's Broncos, and that's a fact.

[mickyd]

ESPN, ABC and all the media giants don't give a rip about the Raiders or for that matter any other team - they're all about the ratings - I'm not even going to talk about ESPN because we're giving them way to much publicity by even talking about them on this board and their board and getting all riled.... Oh jeez and now I'm down to rookie again LOL - mods - how'd that happen?

[FilipinoRaider]

Those assholes should be a shamed of themselves!!!

I "HOPE" that DHB, is explosive this years and then at the end of the year, get's the TD footballs and sticks it up ESPN's collective ass's!!!

[FilipinoRaider]

cheap, this aint about the Raiders at all....

its about a kid who is trying to make a living out of his dream and then a group of PROFESSIONAL sports journalists trash the kid before bringing him on...

DHB didnt ask to be drafted before Crabtree, he didnt beg AL to draft him. He is just a regular dude following the path life laid out for him.

Yet Carter felt compelled to rip this kid down on national tv right before they switch over to DHB who unknowingly was just trashed by the same people who just interviewed him..

Nothing to do with the Raiders and their losing tradition at all.

It's a shame that ESPN has to trash innocent people in the name of hating Al Davis and the Raiders!

They trash our picks and they trash us as Raiders fans all the time!

[Big O Dick]

Thats some bullshit. They didnt have to be like that. Its not his fault he was picked where he was. I really hope that this is the type of thing that makes him WANT to be a Raider, and make these fuckers shut their damn mouths!

If I was him, Id sit back and say....aww, ok. I see whats up. Well shit, Im gonna go out and do my best to make the team better so the last ones laughing is us!

[☠♏ž ჭεĭծեყ ☠]

More reason for him to show them up and shut them up!!

[cheapshotartist]

cheap, this aint about the Raiders at all....

its about a kid who is trying to make a living out of his dream and then a group of PROFESSIONAL sports journalists trash the kid before bringing him on...

DHB didnt ask to be drafted before Crabtree, he didnt beg AL to draft him. He is just a regular dude following the path life laid out for him.

Yet Carter felt compelled to rip this kid down on national tv right before they switch over to DHB who unknowingly was just trashed by the same people who just interviewed him..

Nothing to do with the Raiders and their losing tradition at all.

Good points Bump and I see what your saying. I'm not taking up for these mofos all I'm saying is who gives a f**k about what they say. Bey has his dream and these so-called professionals are hating on his azz. But check this out JaMarcus Russell also has his dream but all I hear on this site from so-called Raider fans is that he is a bust, he is dum, he can't talk. All this weak azz :shit: is coming from Raider fans not ESPN. Before we start attacking ESPN for not supporting our players we need to check ourselves. Russell is our QB and that's just the way it is. If we can support Bey and Mitchell two rookies who have not even made the team yet why can't we support Russell?
:csa:

[cheapshotartist]

It's a shame that ESPN has to trash innocent people in the name of hating Al Davis and the Raiders!

They trash our picks and they trash us as Raiders fans all the time!

It comes with the turf FilipinoRaider the media has always hated on the Raiders but back in the day no one gave a f**k about what they were saying because we were kicking azz on the field. Now that we suck the media is getting in line to kick us while we are down. The media will always hate the Raiders as long as Al is calling the shots. That's just the way it is.
:csa:

[☠♏ž ჭεĭծեყ ☠]

Good points Bump and I see what your saying. I'm not taking up for these mofos all I'm saying is who gives a f**k about what they say. Bey has his dream and these so-called professionals are hating on his azz. But check this out JaMarcus Russell also has his dream but all I hear on this site from so-called Raider fans is that he is a bust, he is dum, he can't talk. All this weak azz :shit: is coming from Raider fans not ESPN. Before we start attacking ESPN for not supporting our players we need to check ourselves. Russell is our QB and that's just the way it is. If we can support Bey and Mitchell two rookies who have not even made the team yet why can't we support Russell?
:csa:


:clap::hi5 GREAT FUCKIN POINT!! THANK YOU!! DOUBLE STANDARD!!! I CAN TALK SHIT BUT YOU CAN'T!!

[Big Game Geoff]

Just looking at Tom 'HIPPOPOTAMUS' Jackson is enough to ignite an inferno in my brain. Then there's Chris 'I'VE WON NOTHING' Carter. Fuck those punks...

[Big Game Geoff]

I'm surprised they didn't invite Mark Schreleth and James Hasty to the punk party.


CSA, who's hating on Jamarcus from ROC? I haven't seen it...

[Big O Dick]

Good points Bump and I see what your saying. I'm not taking up for these mofos all I'm saying is who gives a f**k about what they say. Bey has his dream and these so-called professionals are hating on his azz. But check this out JaMarcus Russell also has his dream but all I hear on this site from so-called Raider fans is that he is a bust, he is dum, he can't talk. All this weak azz :shit: is coming from Raider fans not ESPN. Before we start attacking ESPN for not supporting our players we need to check ourselves. Russell is our QB and that's just the way it is. If we can support Bey and Mitchell two rookies who have not even made the team yet why can't we support Russell?
:csa:

Ill answer that one for you Uncle CSA from my point of view.
Russell started off on the wrong foot holding out, basically squandering his rookie season. Whether it was the Raiders fault or not, which I actually doubt cuz Al never has a problem signing players.
Work ethic...the rumors about him ballooning up to 280 in the offseason doesnt show much commitment to staying in shape or working in the offseason.
Wearing flashy jewelry or flashy accessories on the field. I know he isnt the only player to do this but it really sends the wrong message to fans about him taking the game serious. Theres no room for super diamonds on the field. I dont see Manning or Brady coming out like that!
Ill say again, the only diamonds he should be concerned about when it comes to football, are the ones they put on super bowl rings!
I will and do support Russell but I need to see some progression this year, big time. He needs to grow up and take this game serious. He was the #1 overall draft pick. I know Al hasnt helped his progression with all the turmoil but good players find ways to overcome and win, by spending extra time studying film or whatever.

If this team is gonna win this year, its gonna start with Russell and the O line.

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Good points Bump and I see what your saying. I'm not taking up for these mofos all I'm saying is who gives a f**k about what they say. Bey has his dream and these so-called professionals are hating on his azz. But check this out JaMarcus Russell also has his dream but all I hear on this site from so-called Raider fans is that he is a bust, he is dum, he can't talk. All this weak azz :shit: is coming from Raider fans not ESPN. Before we start attacking ESPN for not supporting our players we need to check ourselves. Russell is our QB and that's just the way it is. If we can support Bey and Mitchell two rookies who have not even made the team yet why can't we support Russell?
:csa:

Fair enough, but again, who are you and I?

I can say DHB is a faggot and his mom gives good brains and nobody would see that but a handful of a-alikes in Raiders jerseys...

This is a national platform we are talking about. There is a certain level of self accountability we should take into consideration.

Because if that's the case, pay me Cris Carter's salary... I can talk shit with the best of them....

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Just looking at Tom 'HIPPOPOTAMUS' Jackson is enough to ignite an inferno in my brain. Then there's Chris 'I'VE WON NOTHING' Carter. Fuck those punks...

Yep.... Cris Carter might have won a championship if he wasn;t a me player...

Probably not, but he was in fact a selfish player indeed...

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Opinion journalism IS A FORM OF JOURNALISM! It's what they pay Chris Carter to do. So when Chris Carter sees a WR who dropped a ton of balls get drafted @ 7 for his athleticism, he's going to do what ESPN pays him to do: give his opinion. It's called objectivity; you don't change your opinion on someone because they're giving your network an interview.

It's hilarious watching people get butthurt over ESPN. They don't do it to the Raiders more than anyone else, the Raiders simply brought a mountain of shit on themselves for being so awful. There's no defending 90% of what's gone on in the last 6 years, so why defend it? So the interweb Raider fans can be happy? You don't decide what opinion journalists knock. It's like telling Jim Rome "oh you can't rip this team because I like them."

[☠♏ž ჭεĭծեყ ☠]

opinion journalism is a form of journalism! It's what they pay chris carter to do. So when chris carter sees a wr who dropped a ton of balls get drafted @ 7 for his athleticism, he's going to do what espn pays him to do: Give his opinion. It's called objectivity; you don't change your opinion on someone because they're giving your network an interview.

It's hilarious watching people get butthurt over espn. They don't do it to the raiders more than anyone else, the raiders simply brought a mountain of shit on themselves for being so awful. There's no defending 90% of what's gone on in the last 6 years, so why defend it? So the interweb raider fans can be happy? You don't decide what opinion journalists knock. It's like telling jim rome oh you can't rip this team because i like them"."

WELL YOU CAN'T IF IT'S MY TEAM!! LMAO:mean:

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Opinion journalism IS A FORM OF JOURNALISM! It's what they pay Chris Carter to do. So when Chris Carter sees a WR who dropped a ton of balls get drafted @ 7 for his athleticism, he's going to do what ESPN pays him to do: give his opinion. It's called objectivity; you don't change your opinion on someone because they're giving your network an interview.

It's hilarious watching people get butthurt over ESPN. They don't do it to the Raiders more than anyone else, the Raiders simply brought a mountain of shit on themselves for being so awful. There's no defending 90% of what's gone on in the last 6 years, so why defend it? So the interweb Raider fans can be happy? You don't decide what opinion journalists knock. It's like telling Jim Rome "oh you can't rip this team because I like them."


I have no problem of him pointing out what's objective, at all..

But if you are going to be objective, for the sake of objectivity... Cross-reference with something. It's irresponsible journalism if you don;t do your homework. Which is something Chris Carter either

1 - didn't do

or

2 - did , and just completely went against better judgment so he could spout off...

Same thing Keyshawn did in sorts when he ripped DHB for being a track guy and how you dont have to be fast to play football.

Everybody KNOWS that, obviously.

But did you happen to see how he didn't even let Kiper get his point out for defense of the pick?

Point out a negative, also point out a positive.

You have to play devil's advocate IMO.

[Big Game Geoff]

Opinion journalism IS A FORM OF JOURNALISM! It's what they pay Chris Carter to do. So when Chris Carter sees a WR who dropped a ton of balls get drafted @ 7 for his athleticism, he's going to do what ESPN pays him to do: give his opinion. It's called objectivity; you don't change your opinion on someone because they're giving your network an interview.

It's hilarious watching people get butthurt over ESPN. They don't do it to the Raiders more than anyone else, the Raiders simply brought a mountain of shit on themselves for being so awful. There's no defending 90% of what's gone on in the last 6 years, so why defend it? So the interweb Raider fans can be happy? You don't decide what opinion journalists knock. It's like telling Jim Rome "oh you can't rip this team because I like them."

You're missing the point completely. What they did was classless. You don't bash a player like that right before you interview him. Specially a young dude who didn't have any say in where he was drafted...

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I have no problem of him pointing out what's objective, at all..

But if you are going to be objective, for the sake of objectivity... Cross-reference with something. It's irresponsible journalism if you don;t do your homework. Which is something Chris Carter either

1 - didn't do

or

2 - did , and just completely went against better judgment so he could spout off...

Same thing Keyshawn did in sorts when he ripped DHB for being a track guy and how you dont have to be fast to play football.

Everybody KNOWS that, obviously.

But did you happen to see how he didn't even let Kiper get his point out for defense of the pick?

Point out a negative, also point out a positive.

You have to play devil's advocate IMO.

The positive/negative thing is only one way to make an argument. If every opinion journalist used positive/negative, journalism would be terribly boring. Carter's point wasn't "I want to rip this kid," his point was "this kid is not a #7 pick, and Al Davis is crazy." There's no real room for breakdown analysis or positives when you're making that point.

I didn't see the Keyshawn/Kiper thing because I don't watch ESPN's draft coverage, or draft coverage much at all. NFLN and ESPN are unwatchable on draft day. I saw the #7 pick and checked out for the day.

[Big Game Geoff]

To add on to my last post, where is all the evidence of HB's drops? If they're going to bash the guy at least have some film to support your argument. Maybe I missed it?..

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The positive/negative thing is only one way to make an argument. If every opinion journalist used positive/negative, journalism would be terribly boring. Carter's point wasn't "I want to rip this kid," his point was "this kid is not a #7 pick, and Al Davis is crazy." There's no real room for breakdown analysis or positives when you're making that point.

I didn't see the Keyshawn/Kiper thing because I don't watch ESPN's draft coverage, or draft coverage much at all. NFLN and ESPN are unwatchable on draft day. I saw the #7 pick and checked out for the day.

So you're willing to trade off thorough journalism for fluff?

A stab is a stab, I get it.. It's amsuing. When it comes to ratings, I'm sure the network could care less if Carter did his work. Therein lies the problem.

I was just using the pos/neg example just for that, an example. Im sure I could have used a better one.

I never said Al DID NOT reach, he surely did.. But I will say this...

If Ted Thompson would have picked DHB @ 8, it would have been a reach.

But, TT would have been staying true to his board. Al Davis would just be called crazy.

Honestly, how much film do you think Cris Carter broke down? Or even CARED to?

You can see some of the guys who really don't do their homework on these shows. Carter is one that comes to mind, next is Deion. They both should be gone.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

You're missing the point completely. What they did was classless. You don't bash a player like that right before you interview him. Specially a young dude who didn't have any say in where he was drafted...

That's live TV dude, they have no clue who they'll be interviewing. The producer is grabbing these guys from media row and saying "can you do ESPN News right now?" then sitting them down in front of the camera and radioing the studio "we have Derrius Heyward-Bey ready to interview." The in-studio producer radio's the host with the news, then they go to him immediately.

Not only that, but you're not supposed to coddle the feelings of people you interview. That's TERRIBLE journalism.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

To add on to my last post, where is all the evidence of HB's drops? If they're going to bash the guy at least have some film to support your argument. Maybe I missed it?..

Who the fuck puts "drop highlights" on YouTube? I watch way more college football than I do NFL, I saw this guy play a few times.

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That's live TV dude, they have no clue who they'll be interviewing. The producer is grabbing these guys from media row and saying "can you do ESPN News right now?" then sitting them down in front of the camera and radioing the studio "we have Derrius Heyward-Bey ready to interview." The in-studio producer radio's the host with the news, then they go to him immediately.

Not only that, but you're not supposed to coddle the feelings of people you interview. That's TERRIBLE journalism.

All Im saying, is why wasnt the Tyson Jackson pick ripped??

That pick was WORSE than the DHB pick... I dont care if they were 1 of 32 teams running a 1-2-8 base and Tyson Jackson was the only 1 base NT ever LOL..

that was as much or more of a reach... And KC has sucked worse than Oakland the last 2 seasons and they dont appear to be getting any better IMO.

Yet nobody said a word..

Mike Mayock said: I had him @ 16

And that was the last of it...

[Doyers y Esleigher]

So you're willing to trade off thorough journalism for fluff?

Are you calling Carter's opinion fluff?

A stab is a stab, I get it.. It's amsuing. When it comes to ratings, I'm sure the network could care less if Carter did his work. Therein lies the problem.

I was just using the pos/neg example just for that, an example. Im sure I could have used a better one.

I never said Al DID NOT reach, he surely did.. But I will say this...

If Ted Thompson would have picked DHB @ 8, it would have been a reach.

But, TT would have been staying true to his board. Al Davis would just be called crazy.

Ted Thompson would not have picked DHB at 8, so that's a completely bullshit point. "If this guy did this, they'd say this" doesn't work if person A isn't doing all the dumb shit that person B is doing.

Honestly, how much film do you think Cris Carter broke down? Or even CARED to?

You can see some of the guys who really don't do their homework on these shows. Carter is one that comes to mind, next is Deion. They both should be gone.

What about Carter's statement isn't factual? You keep saying he hasn't done his homework... so what did he whiff on? Because he's hardly the only one saying this stuff.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

All Im saying, is why wasnt the Tyson Jackson pick ripped??

That pick was WORSE than the DHB pick... I dont care if they were 1 of 32 teams running a 1-2-8 base and Tyson Jackson was the only 1 base NT ever LOL..

that was as much or more of a reach... And KC has sucked worse than Oakland the last 2 seasons and they dont appear to be getting any better IMO.

Yet nobody said a word..

Mike Mayock said: I had him @ 16

And that was the last of it...

KC has not had the stretch the Raiders have had. And you can't say they're not going to get better, they just installed a new coach and GM. You're going to have to give them time.

The Jackson pick was not worse than the Heyward-Bey pick, and anyone convincing themselves it was is being a serious apologist. Once Stafford became the obvious #1 overall, all the KC draft talk centered around Curry and Jackson. I obviously would have chosen Curry, but either one is better than Darrius Heyward-Bey @ #7.

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Are you calling Carter's opinion fluff?

Fluff is a loose term, but I will say he joined in like a sheep on the pick bashing...



Ted Thompson would not have picked DHB at 8, so that's a completely bullshit point. "If this guy did this, they'd say this" doesn't work if person A isn't doing all the dumb shit that person B is doing.


It was hypothetical, but I have said it before and will say it again. There is no real way to gauge how high DHB climbed on peoples boards... Tyson Jackson was not even REMOTELY considered anywhere in the top 10 in any mock that I saw. I didn;t believe it for a second when they said the Chiefs might take him because of the 34 scheme. But it happened for sure... Why is it such an issue that DHB was grabbed POSSIBLY no higher than 7-8 slots higher?

Also, whichever hole we had to fill is really a subjective point.


What about Carter's statement isn't factual? You keep saying he hasn't done his homework... so what did he whiff on? Because he's hardly the only one saying this stuff.

When he said DHB didn't dominate.... What is dominating exactly? CAN you dominate with a incompetent QB an/or running game?

Shit I seen some one on one matchups where he DOMINATED some top flight talent in the NCAA...

[BigPrimo]

You have to forgive Chris Carter Booze will make you act like a fucking retard even on national TV!!!

[Big Game Geoff]

Who the fuck puts "drop highlights" on YouTube? I watch way more college football than I do NFL, I saw this guy play a few times.

Since you aren't running your trap on ESPN or NFLN I wouldn't expect you to have footage on the subject. ESPN on the other hand SHOULD!

Let me guess, you watched the same Nationally televised games I did (Cal and GT)? HB had a TD in each if I'm not mistaken...

[TAPE]

KC has not had the stretch the Raiders have had. And you can't say they're not going to get better, they just installed a new coach and GM. You're going to have to give them time.

The Jackson pick was not worse than the Heyward-Bey pick, and anyone convincing themselves it was is being a serious apologist. Once Stafford became the obvious #1 overall, all the KC draft talk centered around Curry and Jackson. I obviously would have chosen Curry, but either one is better than Darrius Heyward-Bey @ #7.

We will talk...

Because Tyson Jackson is going to be as mediocre as they come..

And I already KNOW you are going to go the conference/level of competition route, Hill.

But shit, Laron Landry and Glen Dorsey didnt exactly bust it up last year.

I never did subscribe to the level of competition and conference theory.

[BigPrimo]

Chris Carter didnt exactly dominate untill Randy Moss showed up and opened up alot of field for him. Not to mention didt he Fuck off the first part of his career due to drinking problem? How someone like that can bash anyone else for anything is beyond me.

Wasnt Chris Carter part of one of the all time choke jobs by one of the greatest teams when Min lost to Atl?

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Do you guys even realize how many college defenses locked this guy up this year? He had 100 yards once all season, and I watched him get locked up by NEVADA's defense... NEVADA.

Maryland also didn't play GT this year.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Chris Carter didnt exactly dominate untill Randy Moss showed up and opened up alot of field for him. Not to mention didt he Fuck off the first part of his career due to drinking problem? How someone like that can bash anyone else for anything is beyond me.

Wasnt Chris Carter part of one of the all time choke jobs by one of the greatest teams when Min lost to Atl?

The best year of Chris Carter's career was three years before Moss came into the league.

Speaking of guys who "don't do their homework..."

[TAPE]

Chris Carter didnt exactly dominate untill Randy Moss showed up and opened up alot of field for him. Not to mention didt he Fuck off the first part of his career due to drinking problem? How someone like that can bash anyone else for anything is beyond me.

Wasnt Chris Carter part of one of the all time choke jobs by one of the greatest teams when Min lost to Atl?

Nah Cris Carter had his best years pre-Moss, still had some really good ones with Moss there

[BigPrimo]

We will talk...

Because Tyson Jackson is going to be as mediocre as they come..

And I already KNOW you are going to go the conference/level of competition route, Hill.

But shit, Laron Landry and Glen Dorsey didnt exactly bust it up last year.

I never did subscribe to the level of competition and conference theory.

level of Comp mean avsolutly shit. Heres why. BECAUSE WHAT THEY DID IN COLLEGE AT THIS POINT MEANS ABSOLUTLY SHIT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING BACK TO COLLEGE, THEY ARE GOING TO A LEVEL THAT IS WAY BEYOND COLLEGE.

Can the guy play in the NFL or NOT is the only question AND THAT CANNOT BE ANSWERED UNTILL HE HITS THE FIELD AND STARTS PLAYING!!!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Yeah, just like that Terrell Owens guy really helped Jerry Rice's #'s and all...

[☠♏ž ჭεĭծեყ ☠]

you have to forgive chris carter booze will make you act like a fucking retard even on national tv!!!


i'm curious what happened with him? Cause i have no effin clue?? Please fill me in

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i'm curious what happened with him? Cause i have no effin clue?? Please fill me in

he had a drinking problem early in his career...

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Level of competition in college matters when discussing statistics. If you're going to crunch numbers then you have to prepare for the "level of competition" conversation. For example: Andrew Walter's all-time Pac-10 TD passing record is meaningless because he sucks but spent 4 1/2 seasons throwing against inferior defensive backs.

The fact that Heyward-Bey couldn't put up 1,000 yards against some pretty mediocre college defenses says a lot. College isn't the type of game where a big time WR will get locked up by a team's best defensive back all the time because the defensive backs simply aren't as talented. I would think a guy with Bey's physical tools would have put up better numbers in the ACC.

[or24]

I thought the Jackson pick was just as bad as DHB. The difference to me is Jackson can be a physical run stopper as a 3-4 end. A safer pick to me. The thing is a lot of teams usually sign low end free agents to fill the 3-4 end spots. They dont rack up the big sack numbers. The pats spent high picks on theirs though. DHB clearly has more potential. They were both huge reaches. I would seriously rather have DHB, crazy as that is...

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he had a drinking problem early in his career...

thanks i know that but did he do somethin to act a fool or just an alky?

[Doyers y Esleigher]

BigPrimo is walking a fine line making fun of alcohol abuse. Some of the best Raiders ever were complete drunks and savages. Hell, George Atkinson is practically our "town drunk!"

[BigPrimo]

he had a drinking problem early in his career...

dont forget his drug abuse either.

[Sonny Cheeba]

We will talk...

Because Tyson Jackson is going to be as mediocre as they come..

And I already KNOW you are going to go the conference/level of competition route, Hill.

But shit, Laron Landry and Glen Dorsey didnt exactly bust it up last year.

I never did subscribe to the level of competition and conference theory.
Glenn Dorsey was a bust last year and nobody knows where he will fit in this year. But Laron Landry has been 1000000000x the safety Mike Huff has been so far, Dwayne Bowe has over 2k receiving his first two seasons, Jamarcus is (hopefully, fingers crossed) a franchise QB, LSU is a great program, don't get it twisted. And for my money the SEC is easily still the best conference in college ball.

[BigPrimo]

BigPrimo is walking a fine line making fun of alcohol abuse. Some of the best Raiders ever were complete drunks and savages. Hell, George Atkinson is practically our "town drunk!"

Theirs a difference between being a drunk and being an addict. Remeber those guys still played. Carter was released from the eagles because of his problems and missed 2 yrs in teh nfl because of it.

Im just saying who is he to bash a kid when he has his own faults.

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Glenn Dorsey was a bust last year and nobody knows where he will fit in this year. But Laron Landry has been 1000000000x the safety Mike Huff has been so far, Dwayne Bowe has over 2k receiving his first two seasons, Jamarcus is (hopefully, fingers crossed) a franchise QB, LSU is a great program, don't get it twisted. And for my money the SEC is easily still the best conference in college ball.


Landry still hasn't justified going #7 or was it 6?

And you bring up a GREAT point...

Huff played against some TREMENDOUS comp, and he sucks!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Theirs a difference between being a drunk and being an addict. Remeber those guys still played. Carter was released from the eagles because of his problems and missed 2 yrs in teh nfl because of it.

Im just saying who is he to bash a kid when he has his own faults.

Your logic here sucks. He's not bashing the kid for his personal faults, he's bashing his game and bashing Al Davis for picking him. Chris Carter has the right to do that.

"There's a difference between being a drunk and being an addict." No, there isn't. If you can't put the bottle down, you're addicted to it.

[BigPrimo]

Level of competition in college matters when discussing statistics. If you're going to crunch numbers then you have to prepare for the "level of competition" conversation. For example: Andrew Walter's all-time Pac-10 TD passing record is meaningless because he sucks but spent 4 1/2 seasons throwing against inferior defensive backs.

The fact that Heyward-Bey couldn't put up 1,000 yards against some pretty mediocre college defenses says a lot. College isn't the type of game where a big time WR will get locked up by a team's best defensive back all the time because the defensive backs simply aren't as talented. I would think a guy with Bey's physical tools would have put up better numbers in the ACC.

how can he put up "numbers" if his team sucks? Btw im not a college guy so i dont know or pretend to know a whole heck of alot about every team but i do know he wasnt on a very good team.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Landry still hasn't justified going #7 or was it 6?

And you bring up a GREAT point...

Huff played against some TREMENDOUS comp, and he sucks!

Landry hasn't been a bust either. He didn't step in and immediately become one of the best safeties in the NFL but he's given the 'Skins stability back there. That'll be a really nice D this year.

[Don]

Do you guys even realize how many college defenses locked this guy up this year? He had 100 yards once all season, and I watched him get locked up by NEVADA's defense... NEVADA.

Maryland also didn't play GT this year.

Can you tell me a name of another skilled position player on that offense off hand? Thanks...

[Sonny Cheeba]

Landry still hasn't justified going #7 or was it 6?

And you bring up a GREAT point...

Huff played against some TREMENDOUS comp, and he sucks!
Landry was the 6th pick, and he's justified it with his play so far. They probably should have taken Peterson but Portis would have cried all the way the trading block if that happened.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

how can he put up "numbers" if his team sucks? Btw im not a college guy so i dont know or pretend to know a whole heck of alot about every team but i do know he wasnt on a very good team.

The competition he played against sucked too, and his team wasn't THAT bad (8-5 with a bowl game win). A college WR with those types of measurable assets should be good for more than 600-700 yards in a season no matter what he has around him.

[Big Game Geoff]

Do you guys even realize how many college defenses locked this guy up this year? He had 100 yards once all season, and I watched him get locked up by NEVADA's defense... NEVADA.

Maryland also didn't play GT this year.

Once again, you're missing my point. I'm not defending the reach. I just want accountability from these ass-clowns who torched this young kid.

This year, last year, does it really matter?

[Don]

The competition he played against sucked too, and his team wasn't THAT bad (8-5 with a bowl game win). A college WR with those types of measurable assets should be good for more than 600-700 yards in a season no matter what he has around him.

I think you are completely underestimating the significance of the double team, and team members that compliment your game, Hill.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Can you tell me a name of another skilled position player on that offense off hand? Thanks...

We're talking about college football in the ACC, not the NFL. Most college teams don't have one first round talent on either side of the ball. If you are first round talent you will probably stand out.

Maryland does have Da'Rel Scott, who's a decent college-level RB, btw.

[BigPrimo]

The best year of Chris Carter's career was three years before Moss came into the league.

Speaking of guys who "don't do their homework..."

HIS best two years where 99 and 2000, his 1995 year with 122 reception and 17td's was his greatest year, but with a QB like warren Moon and WR of Carters caliber would put up numbers like that. When you are the number 1 target you can put up numbers but his most meaning full years with the Vikes to me can when Randy Moss Came. Not saying his pre moss years with Minny were BAd becasue they wernt by no means.

edited for errors i just got back from teh gym and my arms are wobbly.

[Don]

We're talking about college football in the ACC, not the NFL. Most college teams don't have one first round talent on either side of the ball. If you are first round talent you will probably stand out.

Maryland does have Da'Rel Scott, who's a decent college-level RB, btw.

Who was obviously so damn good that DHB led all college WRs in rushing.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I think you are completely underestimating the significance of the double team, and team members that compliment your game, Hill.

It doesn't carry the same significance in the NFL. BTW, unless you think Detron Lewis is the next Andre Johnson then the same could be said for Crabtree (I know Crabtree's offensive numbers are inflated by his system).

[BigPrimo]

well we should have picked Raji but owell, we got DHB and he can be good, hes just gonna have to put in the work just like any other rookie. But the issue at hand still remain that these dudes at ESPN were totally unprofessional. You dotn have to agree with the pick but the tiraid that they went on was totally uncalled for. When you make a point and i will at least give credit to kiper for this, have some proof to back up what you are saying with stats and video tape. Dont just go off on a hate fest because its the thing to do, it makes you look retarded on national TV.

[Don]

It doesn't carry the same significance in the NFL. BTW, unless you think Detron Lewis is the next Andre Johnson then the same could be said for Crabtree (I know Crabtree's offensive numbers are inflated by his system).

I was speaking about the fact that dhb drew doubles in every game and had no wrs to compliment his game. There was NOBODY ELSE to account for.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Who was obviously so damn good that DHB led all college WRs in rushing.

DHB lead all WR's on his TEAM in rushing. Percy Harvin lead all college WR's in rushing with 660 yards. Why do I not care about this? Because college defenses are slower than NFL ones. Giving the ball to the fast guy and telling him to run forward works there. This does not work in the NFL. You have to set up the proper blocks and create open space first. And if we're using DHB for that, what the hell becomes of Johnnie Lee Higgins?

Just to add some info: Bey had 202 rushing yards this year. Da'Rel Scott had 1,133.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

well we should have picked Raji but owell, we got DHB and he can be good, hes just gonna have to put in the work just like any other rookie. But the issue at hand still remain that these dudes at ESPN were totally unprofessional. You dotn have to agree with the pick but the tiraid that they went on was totally uncalled for. When you make a point and i will at least give credit to kiper for this, have some proof to back up what you are saying with stats and video tape. Dont just go off on a hate fest because its the thing to do, it makes you look retarded on national TV.

No, this isn't unprofessional, you're just whining because they said bad things about your team. Boo fucking hoo. You try sorting through hours of Maryland tape and finding DHB drops to cut up and get on live national TV within a few seconds time and tell me how easy it is.

[BigPrimo]

No, this isn't unprofessional, you're just whining because they said bad things about your team. Boo fucking hoo. You try sorting through hours of Maryland tape and finding DHB drops to cut up and get on live national TV within a few seconds time and tell me how easy it is.

again it doesnt matter if they are saying bad thing about my team or DHB but its how they go about saying it. They never do this shit when we are talking about another team tho. Show me when another team made a bad pick or did somethinng foolish that They went off like this?

You can disagree with the pick, fuck I disagree with it but im not on national TV acting like a jackass!!!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I was speaking about the fact that dhb drew doubles in every game and had no wrs to compliment his game. There was NOBODY ELSE to account for.

How else would any college WR stand out? Calvin Johnson didn't have some crazy good WR on the other side of him at Georgia Tech. When you are an NFL-level talent playing in a conference with little NFL-level talent, your physical attributes will stand out and you'll put up the numbers. Some guys don't perform well in college and stand out in the NFL but you don't use your first-round picks on them!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

again it doesnt matter if they are saying bad thing about my team or DHB but its how they go about saying it. They never do this shit when we are talking about another team tho. Show me when another team made a bad pick or did somethinng foolish that They went off like this?

You can disagree with the pick, fuck I disagree with it but im not on national TV acting like a jackass!!!

Teams get ripped for stupid picks like that all the time, it just didn't make you salty because those teams weren't the Raiders. If anything, the media should have exploded when we picked Huff over Rodgers (committing to another season of Kerry Collins) and did not.

[JRaider17]

Everyone is entitled to opinion, but it seems a lot of people are not fans anymore. No I'm not a blind fan, but the fact is we picked DHB and we cant do SHIT about it.

It seems everyone now when we pick players look for negatives and almost seem to hope for our players to bust!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Everyone is entitled to opinion, but it seems a lot of people are not fans anymore. No I'm not a blind fan, but the fact is we picked DHB and we cant do SHIT about it.

It seems everyone now when we pick players look for negatives and almost seem to hope for our players to bust!

Being objective and having an opinion doesn't mean you want it to come true, it's how one feels based on what they've seen.

It's why I get mad when some really stupid person who's never said a smart thing about football just so happens to be right about a player (usually because every player is "good" to them, so if they say it for everyone it will be right for someone) then brags about it. "YOU GUYS WERE LAME FOR NOT BELIEVING IN HIM! YOU'RE NOT REAL FANS!" Meanwhile this dude also "believes in" Cornell Green and Ricky Brown.

I hope I'm wrong about DHB, but I feel I've got enough knowledge of him to at least comment. No one's going to tell me "you're a moron" if I'm wrong because of how often I'm right. Chris Carter has nothing to go off of here except what he's seen, and what he's seen is what I've seen: zero 1,000 yard seasons in a poor defensive conference, poor hands, shut down by sorry defensive backs. I've seen some good things too, but those attributes do not scream "#7 overall pick."

[yayarea_raider]

Opinion journalism IS A FORM OF JOURNALISM! It's what they pay Chris Carter to do. So when Chris Carter sees a WR who dropped a ton of balls get drafted @ 7 for his athleticism, he's going to do what ESPN pays him to do: give his opinion. It's called objectivity; you don't change your opinion on someone because they're giving your network an interview.

It's hilarious watching people get butthurt over ESPN. They don't do it to the Raiders more than anyone else, the Raiders simply brought a mountain of shit on themselves for being so awful. There's no defending 90% of what's gone on in the last 6 years, so why defend it? So the interweb Raider fans can be happy? You don't decide what opinion journalists knock. It's like telling Jim Rome "oh you can't rip this team because I like them."

I CLEARLY said I am used to the Raider bashing and that shit doesn't get to me. What I am TRYING TO POINT OUT HERE is that they fukin trashed the kid up and down like nothing, showing no PROFESSIONALISM. Not one positive thing except on him except he's fast.

[JRaider17]

I understand that Hill, and everyone has said their point numerous times and we all know the knock on DHB...poor hands, lack of production etc....its just that people seem to be beating a dead horse with it. Ok we know you don't like the pick, and you have very valid reasons. But the way people are repeating themselves, is like they hope they are right. Thats all I am saying...

[BigPrimo]

Being objective and having an opinion doesn't mean you want it to come true, it's how one feels based on what they've seen.

It's why I get mad when some really stupid person who's never said a smart thing about football just so happens to be right about a player (usually because every player is "good" to them, so if they say it for everyone it will be right for someone) then brags about it. "YOU GUYS WERE LAME FOR NOT BELIEVING IN HIM! YOU'RE NOT REAL FANS!" Meanwhile this dude also "believes in" Cornell Green and Ricky Brown.

I hope I'm wrong about DHB, but I feel I've got enough knowledge of him to at least comment. No one's going to tell me "you're a moron" if I'm wrong because of how often I'm right. Chris Carter has nothing to go off of here except what he's seen, and what he's seen is what I've seen: zero 1,000 yard seasons in a poor defensive conference, poor hands, shut down by sorry defensive backs. I've seen some good things too, but those attributes do not scream "#7 overall pick."

Chris Carter based evertthing he said off of What he heard from Kiper/Mayock and co. He didnt back anything he said up with anything. HE basically BASHED THIS KID PERSONALLY and calle dhim a horrible WR and i bet 10000000000000000000000000000Dollars he hasnt watch 1 film or game tape of this kid play Thats our point. DId you see the way the first COmmentator(forgot his name) broke it down to teh way Chris did? Thats what im talking about when we say PROFESSIONALISM. you can disagree and agrue that it was a bad pick but you dont have to act like a clown.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I CLEARLY said I am used to the Raider bashing and that shit doesn't get to me. What I am TRYING TO POINT OUT HERE is that they fukin trashed the kid up and down like nothing, showing no PROFESSIONALISM. Not one positive thing except on him except he's fast.

You don't know anything about PROFESSIONALISM in journalism.

PROFESSIONALISM in journalism is objectivity. PERIOD. If you don't think a WR can catch the ball, you say you don't think he can catch the ball. If you think a draft pick is really bad, you say that. You CAN trash whoever you want and if you think someone sucks, you CAN say that. You can say it all you want, actually. As a matter of fact, professional sports journalists do exactly what Chris Carter did all the time.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I understand that Hill, and everyone has said their point numerous times and we all know the knock on DHB...poor hands, lack of production etc....its just that people seem to be beating a dead horse with it. Ok we know you don't like the pick, and you have very valid reasons. But the way people are repeating themselves, is like they hope they are right. Thats all I am saying...

I'm just defending Chris Carter and his right as a journalist and a professional to make the point he made.

[JRaider17]

You don't know anything about PROFESSIONALISM in journalism.

PROFESSIONALISM in journalism is objectivity. PERIOD. If you don't think a WR can catch the ball, you say you don't think he can catch the ball. If you think a draft pick is really bad, you say that. You CAN trash whoever you want and if you think someone sucks, you CAN say that. You can say it all you want, actually. As a matter of fact, professional sports journalists do exactly what Chris Carter did all the time.

Hill yes that is ok, but it was totally uncalled for to bring him on the show. You know DHB was watching waiting to go on, and they just did not say one good thing and basically said he is horrible and has no chance. If your gonna bash, no need to humiliate the kid right before his interview.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Chris Carter based evertthing he said off of What he heard from Kiper/Mayock and co. He didnt back anything he said up with anything. HE basically BASHED THIS KID PERSONALLY and calle dhim a horrible WR and i bet 10000000000000000000000000000Dollars he hasnt watch 1 film or game tape of this kid play Thats our point. DId you see the way the first COmmentator(forgot his name) broke it down to teh way Chris did? Thats what im talking about when we say PROFESSIONALISM. you can disagree and agrue that it was a bad pick but you dont have to act like a clown.

How would you know Carter hasn't seen him play? That's pure conjecture. Carter's criticisms of DHB have been echoed by a shitload of experts, and even Maryland fans. Hell, I watched Maryland play this year and saw DHB drop balls.

I bet Chris Carter watched more DHB film than Al Davis.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Hill yes that is ok, but it was totally uncalled for to bring him on the show. You know DHB was watching waiting to go on, and they just did not say one good thing and basically said he is horrible and has no chance. If your gonna bash, no need to humiliate the kid right before his interview.

That's live TV dude, they have no clue who they'll be interviewing. The producer is grabbing these guys from media row and saying "can you do ESPN News right now?" then sitting them down in front of the camera and radioing the studio "we have Derrius Heyward-Bey ready to interview." The in-studio producer radio's the host with the news, then they go to him immediately.

Not only that, but you're not supposed to coddle the feelings of people you interview. That's TERRIBLE journalism.

I wanted to add to this that Carter's job is not to interview these players. He is an analyst (Suzy Kolber conducted the actual interview) and his job is to analyze. If he is passionately against a pick, he's allowed his passion. And no, DHB was not sitting there watching Carter rip him, he was probably doing another interview, because that's how media row works.

[yayarea_raider]

You don't know anything about PROFESSIONALISM in journalism.

PROFESSIONALISM in journalism is objectivity. PERIOD. If you don't think a WR can catch the ball, you say you don't think he can catch the ball. If you think a draft pick is really bad, you say that. You CAN trash whoever you want and if you think someone sucks, you CAN say that. You can say it all you want, actually. As a matter of fact, professional sports journalists do exactly what Chris Carter did all the time.

never mind...you are completely missing the point Hill.

[JRaider17]

I wanted to add to this that Carter's job is not to interview these players. He is an analyst (Suzy Kolber conducted the actual interview) and his job is to analyze. If he is passionately against a pick, he's allowed his passion. And no, DHB was not sitting there watching Carter rip him, he was probably doing another interview, because that's how media row works.

We don't know that for sure...the video I saw of his draft reaction in his room, the espn interview was right afterwards.

[MOST-ILL]

To agree or to disagree. It matters NONE!!! Which ever side of the fence or grass you stand. We are all on the same train heading for another wild ride with no brakes. We all are drinking kool-aide like its the thing to do. And what a job we do in telling are fellow raider fan their wrong and were right. Yet we will be forking out our hard earned $$$ like the brainwashed fans we are. opps i mean devoted fans...lol We stay bickering at one another and for what???? Just so you can have the last word and feel like your right...But really none of us know shit. If any of us knew anything helpful in regards to the raiders ...why arent we employed by them???? Know your role & play your position... a lot im reading reads alot like mel kiper todd mcshay. A bunch of nonsense. Lets just be united no matter your view on the draft & lets prepare for what we have coming as fans!!! Were gonna need it!!!!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

never mind...you are completely missing the point Hill.

What is your point that I am missing?

[Doyers y Esleigher]

To agree or to disagree. It matters NONE!!! Which ever side of the fence or grass you stand. We are all on the same train heading for another wild ride with no brakes. We all are drinking kool-aide like its the thing to do. And what a job we do in telling are fellow raider fan their wrong and were right. Yet we will be forking out our hard earned $$$ like the brainwashed fans we are. opps i mean devoted fans...lol We stay bickering at one another and for what???? Just so you can have the last word and feel like your right...But really none of us know shit. If any of us knew anything helpful in regards to the raiders ...why arent we employed by them???? Know your role & play your position... a lot im reading reads alot like mel kiper todd mcshay. A bunch of nonsense. Lets just be united no matter your view on the draft & lets prepare for what we have coming as fans!!! Were gonna need it!!!!

This sounds like a Raiderfans or RaiderSideline post. "OMG GUYZZ SAME SIDE STOP ARGUING THIS IZNT COOL!"

[BigPrimo]

What is your point that I am missing?

Listen to the first COmmentator say teh same shit Carter said. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY HE SAID IT AND TEH WAY HE CARRIED HIMSELF. CARTER AND JACKSONS ONLY POINT ON THIS SHOW FOR THIS SEGMENT WAS TO BASH THIS KID AND MAKE FUN OF HIM, WHAT THEY DID ISNT JOURNALISM OR SPORTSCASTING. IT WAS SIMPLY A JOKE.

[yayarea_raider]

What is your point that I am missing?

I'm not talking about the Raider bashing, "bad pick" and sh!t...I don't care if they bash us, they will when we lose and tehy'll be all over are nutts if we win again....

I'm talking about being a professional. IMHO, that was downright cruel, unprfoessional, and someone shoudl have gotten a warning or walking papers. People wonder why a lot of ppl watch NFL Ntwk's draft coverage over ESPN's lol...I didn't even see this til LAST NIGHT!

My point is though that you can criticize Hill, point out the bad hands, he only was honorable mention and stuff...but your ALSO supposed to point out the good things that come from the pick/player.

They just trashed him, acting like they were having a conversation behind the set. Sure, the NFL Ntwk guys were probably saying some of the same things in the back of their mind, but they WERE PROFESSIONAL about it. The good things...the bad things. He went early but has this this and this. My only concerns are this this and this.

ESPn totally trashed him, when they should of been trashing Al Davis if anything. Then they BRING HIM ON LIVE...NO WONDER he wasn't too ecstatic to talk to the if he was watching their coverage...

srry I just felt bad for the kid cause it's his dream just like every college football player to get drafted and they sh!t on his moment, and that's cruel. I know he jhas good work ethic though and hopefully he does what Mitchell did with Kipers take and use it as MOTIVATION.

[MOST-ILL]

This sounds like a Raiderfans or RaiderSideline post. "OMG GUYZZ SAME SIDE STOP ARGUING THIS IZNT COOL!"

Keep on with your bad self.... Sound like a bunch of bitches in skirts and heels. Is that better Hill???? less raiderfan/raidersideline!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I'm not talking about the Raider bashing, "bad pick" and sh!t...I don't care if they bash us, they will when we lose and tehy'll be all over are nutts if we win again....

I'm talking about being a professional. IMHO, that was downright cruel, unprfoessional, and someone shoudl have gotten a warning or walking papers. People wonder why a lot of ppl watch NFL Ntwk's draft coverage over ESPN's lol...I didn't even see this til LAST NIGHT!

A warning or walking papers????? Are you serious? And you want to be a sports journalist? I'm going to hand you your walking papers right now because it's not happening if this is your attitude.

What did Carter say that was so cruel? He ripped the kid's ability to play football. HE IS A FOOTBALL ANALYST AND HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT.

My point is though that you can criticize Hill, point out the bad hands, he only was honorable mention and stuff...but your ALSO supposed to point out the good things that come from the pick/player.

Why? Jesse Palmer already did the positive/negative analysis. Carter's rant supports the idea that Al Davis made a horrible pick, and picking like this is why the Raiders continue to lose. Therefore, he's not going to list the "positives" because there aren't enough to justify DHB @ 7. Jesse Palmer gave Carter the floor to pick a side and run with it, and he picked that side.

Sports talk radio hosts do that type of ranting every single day. Sports columnists write columns like this all the time.

Carter doesn't think this pick will lead to many good things, so why list them at all? Especially since the good things don't outweigh the bad in your particular argument.

They just trashed him, acting like they were having a conversation behind the set. Sure, the NFL Ntwk guys were probably saying some of the same things in the back of their mind, but they WERE PROFESSIONAL about it. The good things...the bad things. He went early but has this this and this. My only concerns are this this and this.

I had NFL Network on for the pick and the reaction was similar, minus Chris Carter's rant. The NFLN guys were completely stumped and ripped the pick to shreds, just without Chris Carter's intensity.

ESPn totally trashed him, when they should of been trashing Al Davis if anything. Then they BRING HIM ON LIVE...NO WONDER he wasn't too ecstatic to talk to the if he was watching their coverage...

srry I just felt bad for the kid cause it's his dream just like every college football player to get drafted and they sh!t on his moment, and that's cruel. I know he jhas good work ethic though and hopefully he does what Mitchell did with Kipers take and use it as MOTIVATION.

WAH! HIS MOMENT! Welcome to life dude, this is what journalists do. If they feel he hasn't earned "his moment," they will shit on it, and as journalists that's just them doing their job.

If you don't learn this, you will fail in this field.

[BigPrimo]

Keep on with your bad self.... Sound like a bunch of bitches in skirts and heels. Is that better Hill???? less raiderfan/raidersideline!

Cmon man, we are just debating back in forth about what we think. Dont follow a man over a cliff. If he wants to jump like a dumb fuck then let em but dont jump with him. Just MHO not telling you what to say or how to say it. But again we are just debating dont take thinks to serious.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Yes, when people debate they sound like bitches in skirts and heels.

Instead of debating, maybe we should just post links to articles and thank each other for posting them. That would be really interesting to read.

[yayarea_raider]

A warning or walking papers????? Are you serious? And you want to be a sports journalist? I'm going to hand you your walking papers right now because it's not happening if this is your attitude.

What did Carter say that was so cruel? He ripped the kid's ability to play football. HE IS A FOOTBALL ANALYST AND HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT.



Why? Jesse Palmer already did the positive/negative analysis. Carter's rant supports the idea that Al Davis made a horrible pick, and picking like this is why the Raiders continue to lose. Therefore, he's not going to list the "positives" because there aren't enough to justify DHB @ 7. Jesse Palmer gave Carter the floor to pick a side and run with it, and he picked that side.

Sports talk radio hosts do that type of ranting every single day. Sports columnists write columns like this all the time.

Carter doesn't think this pick will lead to many good things, so why list them at all? Especially since the good things don't outweigh the bad in your particular argument.



I had NFL Network on for the pick and the reaction was similar, minus Chris Carter's rant. The NFLN guys were completely stumped and ripped the pick to shreds, just without Chris Carter's intensity.



WAH! HIS MOMENT! Welcome to life dude, this is what journalists do. If they feel he hasn't earned "his moment," they will shit on it, and as journalists that's just them doing their job.

If you don't learn this, you will fail in this field.

I will not fail in this field. You really like arguing don't you Hill? Sometimes you are just fuking hopeless

[Jake]

I couldn't care any less what ESPN or any body on TV says. Why should I? If they wanna dog on DHB that's on them. I don't care if they praise us. I don't care if they dog us. I don't need them to help me form my opinions for anything, especially my team.

DHB is a big boy gettin paid in the big leagues now. He's got lots to prove and if he doesn't he is gonna hear a lot worse in the parking lot and out of the stands. No need to stick up for him or be offended for him. I don't have any of these players backs till they show me they're a Raider.

[MOST-ILL]

Yes, when people debate they sound like bitches in skirts and heels.

Instead of debating, maybe we should just post links to articles and thank each other for posting them. That would be really interesting to read.

Lets see hill...I took a grown up way of informing you...Your debate as your calling it. Is going nowhere fast. So I tell you another way...raw and to the point and you dont like that either. How else does one tell someone to give it up. Both of your points were made long ago....I got each of your points why cant you?

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I couldn't care any less what ESPN or any body on TV says. Why should I? If they wanna dog on DHB that's on them. I don't care if they praise us. I don't care if they dog us. I don't need them to help me form my opinions for anything, especially my team.

DHB is a big boy gettin paid in the big leagues now. He's got lots to prove and if he doesn't he is gonna hear a lot worse in the parking lot and out of the stands. No need to stick up for him or be offended for him. I don't have any of these players backs till they show me they're a Raider.

This is why I like you Jake.

True Raider fans never accepted some new guy with open arms and coddled his feelings from the "big, bad, cruel media," they waited to see if he was any good. If he sucked, fuck him, get the fuck out and take the uniform off. I remember going to games as a kid and seeing Raider fans in silver and black "Schroeder Hater" shirts. If you suck, you get no sympathy.

I don't think Carter's rant was as biting of DHB as it was of Al Davis, but in order to criticize the pick you have to criticize the player.

[JRaider17]

So because I said the criticism on DHB right before his interview was uncalled for, now I'm "coddling him" and I'm not a true Raider fan?

[MOST-ILL]

Cmon man, we are just debating back in forth about what we think. Dont follow a man over a cliff. If he wants to jump like a dumb fuck then let em but dont jump with him. Just MHO not telling you what to say or how to say it. But again we are just debating dont take thinks to serious.

Your right....I shouldnt go over the cliff with yall. All im saying is I understood and got each of your views. You two both made your points. I got those. Peace!

[JRaider17]

Your right....I shouldnt go over the cliff with yall. All im saying is I understood and got each of your views. You two both made your points. I got those. Peace!

Thats what I said a few posts ago, just let the DHB thing play out we have heard both sides numerous times, more than enough.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Thats what I said a few posts ago, just let the DHB thing play out we have heard both sides numerous times, more than enough.

I'm not arguing against the DHB pick, I'm defending Carter. I know a lot about sports media and journalism (I'm trying to make it my career) and have a lot of hands-on experience, and all this stuff people are spouting about "professionalism" really pisses me off. Like not only does it show a lack of understanding of journalism, it's not objective, which itself is against every imaginable journalistic code.

[MOST-ILL]

I'm not arguing against the DHB pick, I'm defending Carter. I know a lot about sports media and journalism (I'm trying to make it my career) and have a lot of hands-on experience, and all this stuff people are spouting about "professionalism" really pisses me off. Like not only does it show a lack of understanding of journalism, it's not objective, which itself is against every imaginable journalistic code.

Hill I feel you on you being upset. Most of these people who are talking shit on t.v arent even real journalists. They were given a job to give their oppinion after their playing days were over. This does not quailfy them as journalists. They are no better then you or i talking shit on our couchs. Do most of them have a degree in jouralism...probably not!!! So fuck what you heard!!!! A zillion motherfuckers on plant earth talking all that shit cause thats all their worth!!!! Hill dont allow them to get you heated....they dont deserve that power over you! Their Busters until they prove otherwise!

[JRaider17]

I'm not arguing against the DHB pick, I'm defending Carter. I know a lot about sports media and journalism (I'm trying to make it my career) and have a lot of hands-on experience, and all this stuff people are spouting about "professionalism" really pisses me off. Like not only does it show a lack of understanding of journalism, it's not objective, which itself is against every imaginable journalistic code.


Hill I get you man, and you def know much more shit about journalist then I do since that is your career path. I'm not arguing Carter criticizing DHB, because like you said he has every right to. I'm saying that it was not right to do right before the kid came on for an interview. I understand DHB does not have the best hands, but it is not as bad as everyone is saying. DHB has worked his ass off to become a football player. Carter basically said he is just a track star who can run just the straight pattern but can not catch the ball at all.

[Don]

I'm not arguing against the DHB pick, I'm defending Carter. I know a lot about sports media and journalism (I'm trying to make it my career) and have a lot of hands-on experience, and all this stuff people are spouting about "professionalism" really pisses me off. Like not only does it show a lack of understanding of journalism, it's not objective, which itself is against every imaginable journalistic code.

It's unprofessional, Hill, because Palmer didn't cite the passing game coordinator correctly, he cited the QB coach, who has nothing to do with DHB. and you just don't see very often in the sports media that analysts would basically use their forum to set up an interview and make the said interviewee justify himself for a position he had no control over. Especially when you know that was not the premise for him coming on the show. HE came on the show to discuss his feelings about being drafted and projecting onto the season, not to accept a barrage of criticism behind the scenes and then not be given the proper time or questions to respond to it.

And if you don't consider background snickering in the middle of an interview unprofessional, then I don't know what to tell you.

[sraiderguy]

This sports commentators basically just recycle info. Does anyone think that Carter and TJ actually do research before going on the air? Maybe they do but most of the time they seem to run on widespread opinion and emotion.

I only do not get why they knocked on the kid not the organization and right before DHB came on. Let the NFL decide if he is ready by his play on the field.

Raiders fans have a way of letting players know if the approve of them or not. So I say wait and see and if the kid sucks send his ass packing but give him a chance to prove himself first.

[TAPE]

Yo... check this email I got

"Look, we could have drafted Crabtree but we didn't... Sure, we COULD have chose to have a guy who caught 100+ balls in back to back seasons over a 4.3 guy with second to none work ethic.

But I didn't want that faggot, pussy made Crabtree on my team.. That's right, I didn't want that goofy, sloth armed pedestrian on my team. And you know what? I bet you in 5 years you will be able to drive a Humvee and do a donut in Crabtrees asshole by the time Darrius is done bending him over the duration of their rookie contracts..

You saw him wipe the sweat off his forehead and smile when we passed Mike? Yea, he wiped that sweat because he knew he would have to run flys, skinny posts and the MINIMUM route progression would be an 18 yard out... He was wipin' sweat, but not because of relief my dude...

He was wipin' sweat because it was 108 farenheit and that was the heat from legal tender burning to ashes to the tune of about 20 million right out of Mikeys trust fund.

Crabtree would be in route hell, we saved the kid with the golden heel... I wish I could have gotten drafted top 10 due to a broken foot...

I drafted DHB because I wanted to, suck my dick."

Tom C.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Hill I get you man, and you def know much more shit about journalist then I do since that is your career path. I'm not arguing Carter criticizing DHB, because like you said he has every right to. I'm saying that it was not right to do right before the kid came on for an interview. I understand DHB does not have the best hands, but it is not as bad as everyone is saying. DHB has worked his ass off to become a football player. Carter basically said he is just a track star who can run just the straight pattern but can not catch the ball at all.

No offense but can you guys read? I already explained that they have no idea who is about to come interview and who isn't. They are producing live television and Heyward-Bey had just been picked. Keep in mind this is ESPNNEWS and not ESPN, and athletes are doing media from the second they are picked through the end of the day, so they don't know if he's going to do ESPNNEWS, NFL Network, ESPN, newspapers/magazines, etc. first.

Also, Carter did not conduct the interview, Suzy Kolber did. This is important because you have to realize Carter's role on the show: analyst. He is not the host, therefore it is not his role to conduct the interviews or even know who is about to come on. The only person in front of the camera who knew Darrius was coming on air was probably Suzy Kolber, and she probably wasn't told until 10-30 seconds before she had to cut to him.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

It's unprofessional, Hill, because Palmer didn't cite the passing game coordinator correctly, he cited the QB coach, who has nothing to do with DHB. and you just don't see very often in the sports media that analysts would basically use their forum to set up an interview and make the said interviewee justify himself for a position he had no control over.

But that's not what happened. They were just covering the draft. It is Chris Carter's job to be opinionated and it is Suzy Kolber's job to host the show.

Especially when you know that was not the premise for him coming on the show. HE came on the show to discuss his feelings about being drafted and projecting onto the season, not to accept a barrage of criticism behind the scenes and then not be given the proper time or questions to respond to it.

How would he respond to the criticism? Nothing Chris Carter said was particularly out of line. He had no idea Heyward-Bey was about to come on, and the fact that he is simply doesn't matter. Carter is doing his job as a member of the media.

Suzy Kolber wasn't going to toss hardball questions at Bey when...

1. Bey never heard Carter's remarks, so they'd have to be replayed.
2. Bey had just been drafted
3. The rant wasn't going after Bey as much as it went after Al Davis and the Raiders organization, an organization Bey had been a part of for all of 2 minutes when he came on.
4. It isn't her job or her place to blaze fastball questions by draftees... yet.
5. The purpose of the interview is to get Bey's feelings on being picked, not his response to Chris Carter's criticism.
6. It would have been grossly unprofessional to do.

And if you don't consider background snickering in the middle of an interview unprofessional, then I don't know what to tell you.

I don't approve of it, but that's probably the worst and most unprofessional part of all of this. I wouldn't fire a line producer for accidentally leaving mics on while guys snickered, and I wouldn't fire the guys for snickering.

[JRaider17]

Ok but even if Carter didn't know, is it right for Tom Jackson to laugh in the background?


But where did you say the part they have no idea of the interview...didn't see it and looked back a few posts on the page.

[TAPE]

No offense but can you guys read? I already explained that they have no idea who is about to come interview and who isn't. They are producing live television and Heyward-Bey had just been picked. Keep in mind this is ESPNNEWS and not ESPN, and athletes are doing media from the second they are picked through the end of the day, so they don't know if he's going to do ESPNNEWS, NFL Network, ESPN, newspapers/magazines, etc. first.

Also, Carter did not conduct the interview, Suzy Kolber did. This is important because you have to realize Carter's role on the show: analyst. He is not the host, therefore it is not his role to conduct the interviews or even know who is about to come on. The only person in front of the camera who knew Darrius was coming on air was probably Suzy Kolber, and she probably wasn't told until 10-30 seconds before she had to cut to him.

All that being said... You can see the smirk on Kolbers face... And how about the snickering in the background?

Left a bad taste in my mouth, not that I feel DHB should have been coddled in any fashion...

Like has journalism and/or programming regressed to the point of some high school shit?

That's what it honestly felt like.. It's cool to have an opinion, thats whats great about one of our more basic constitutional rights. But it's almost as ESPN has taken a gimmicky approach now towards sports entertainment.

Cris was overly flamboyant in getting his point across. And why should you expect anything more from Carter? He is an ex-football player, not a journalist. But he not gets adorned with the term as those were the means he chose to an end.

It wasn't. He wasn't even a communications major at Ohio State. So what makes him more fit to be an analyst then anybody else who can learn the game on film?

Is he anymore fit to speak on television than DHb is fit to play WR on the Raiders... Guys like this have no room to spout, dude.

I know what you are saying, Hill. My issue is not with what he said, it was how he did it.

I don't mind the dude delivering a pizza to my house... Shit, I understand it may even be cold at times... But don't drive your car into my living room.

[DED]

Carter is a fucktard......fuck him. Sounded like a whiney lil bitch on Inside the NFL after not getting inducted. Fucker said he deserved getting into the Hall more than Art Monk, and talked a bunch of shit........Monk has class ya douche. Stick to the low road youve chosen. Only reason his selfish/douchee side didnt come out earlier was because of Randy Moss overshadowing him in the media while in Minny.

[sraiderguy]

All that being said... You can see the smirk on Kolbers face... And how about the snickering in the background?

Left a bad taste in my mouth, not that I feel DHB should have been coddled in any fashion...

Like has journalism and/or programming regressed to the point of some high school shit?

That's what it honestly felt like.. It's cool to have an opinion, thats whats great about one of our more basic constitutional rights. But it's almost as ESPN has taken a gimmicky approach now towards sports entertainment.

Cris was overly flamboyant in getting his point across. And why should you expect anything more from Carter? He is an ex-football player, not a journalist. But he not gets adorned with the term as those were the means he chose to an end.

It wasn't. He wasn't even a communications major at Ohio State. So what makes him more fit to be an analyst then anybody else who can learn the game on film?

Is he anymore fit to speak on television than DHb is fit to play WR on the Raiders... Guys like this have no room to spout, dude.

I know what you are saying, Hill. My issue is not with what he said, it was how he did it.

I don't mind the dude delivering a pizza to my house... Shit, I understand it may even be cold at times... But don't drive your car into my living room.

Just the way the whole thing played out was bad . With DHB following the harsh criticism(I know they did not know he was coming on but it happened). I just do not get why they did not blast the organization more than DHB.

It seems like every chance some of the analysts get to knock the Raiders the go overboard. I know Raiders hae been easy to laugh at, but they do not act foolish like that with other bad teams.

That giggling in the background reminds of the way girls giggle back in Jr. High.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

All that being said... You can see the smirk on Kolbers face... And how about the snickering in the background?

I don't care about accidental snickering getting on air because accidents happen. You should see the things radio hosts say about their guests when the guest is talking and the hosts' mics are off.

Like has journalism and/or programming regressed to the point of some high school shit?

That's what it honestly felt like.. It's cool to have an opinion, thats whats great about one of our more basic constitutional rights. But it's almost as ESPN has taken a gimmicky approach now towards sports entertainment.

I agree with you but don't see how it applies here.

Cris was overly flamboyant in getting his point across. And why should you expect anything more from Carter? He is an ex-football player, not a journalist. But he not gets adorned with the term as those were the means he chose to an end.

It wasn't. He wasn't even a communications major at Ohio State. So what makes him more fit to be an analyst then anybody else who can learn the game on film?

Rule #1 of becoming a journalist - a journalism or communications degree is fucking useless. If you are not an interesting person who can deliver an interesting take, how the fuck will journalism class help you? If you already have one, fine, but you'll still have to wait in the same line as everyone else.

I book interviews with big bands when I'm asked to do so. I don't have to bring my journalism degree with me to the interview.

Carter is more fit to be an analyst for a myriad of reasons. You act like he went straight from the field to the booth, but that's not really true. He was great on Inside the NFL and provided entertaining and solid perspective.

Yes, you do have to get guys who will be sensational... it's television!

Is he anymore fit to speak on television than DHb is fit to play WR on the Raiders... Guys like this have no room to spout, dude.

Yes, he is. He's a former player with knowledge of the game who articulates himself very well. Not everyone can do what Chris Carter does. If they could , they'd do it.

[TAPE]

I don't care about accidental snickering getting on air because accidents happen. You should see the things radio hosts say about their guests when the guest is talking and the hosts' mics are off.



I agree with you but don't see how it applies here.



Rule #1 of becoming a journalist - a journalism or communications degree is fucking useless. If you are not an interesting person who can deliver an interesting take, how the fuck will journalism class help you? If you already have one, fine, but you'll still have to wait in the same line as everyone else.

I book interviews with big bands when I'm asked to do so. I don't have to bring my journalism degree with me to the interview.

Carter is more fit to be an analyst for a myriad of reasons. You act like he went straight from the field to the booth, but that's not really true. He was great on Inside the NFL and provided entertaining and solid perspective.

Yes, you do have to get guys who will be sensational... it's television!



Yes, he is. He's a former player with knowledge of the game who articulates himself very well. Not everyone can do what Chris Carter does. If they could , they'd do it.

Come on Hill.... you are grossly undermining the role of politics in journalism...

[sraiderguy]

Chris carter was actually decent on Inside the NFL as Hill said, but the atmosphere at Espn seems to report in order to get reactions not to cover the story with any facts or insight. Espn has only few people in the world of football that actually seem to go into any depth on most stories and only a handful have any credibility.

Just my opinion.

[TAPE]

Dude just look at what is going to be on E-60...

and I laugh at the mess that the show "E-60" is...

Stephon Marbury and the truth (lol)

Teenage athlete with the blown up biceps (ANOTHER steroid cut)

and some other catty bullshit for the third story...

America loves controversy, America loves gossip and dirt...

ESPN has gone dramatized and diva'd out...

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Look, if you want my honest opinion, I hate NFL coverage period, but you guys are railing against the wrong people. I constantly see Raider fans bash good journalists who criticize the Raiders, then say nice things about shitty ones when they say nice things about the team. That tells me no one here really gives a fuck about good journalism, they just want the media fluffing the Raiders a bit more.

Chris Carter has been a good journalist for years. Every time he is given a job, he does that job well, period. Can he be over the top? Yes. Is he supposed to be? Yes. It's television, you have to be entertaining. He violated no journalistic codes or guidelines by doing his job, and people suggesting he did know nothing about journalism.

[Gridiron PIRATE]

It's not that it was unprofessional. It was just rude (weaselly laughing while showing his clips/interviewing him)

[MOST-ILL]

Dude just look at what is going to be on E-60...

and I laugh at the mess that the show "E-60" is...

Stephon Marbury and the truth (lol)

Teenage athlete with the blown up biceps (ANOTHER steroid cut)

and some other catty bullshit for the third story...

America loves controversy, America loves gossip and dirt...

ESPN has gone dramatized and diva'd out...

I saw the show and the one thing I liked was the story on James "bubba stweart

[BigPrimo]

Look, if you want my honest opinion, I hate NFL coverage period, but you guys are railing against the wrong people. I constantly see Raider fans bash good journalists who criticize the Raiders, then say nice things about shitty ones when they say nice things about the team. That tells me no one here really gives a fuck about good journalism, they just want the media fluffing the Raiders a bit more.

Chris Carter has been a good journalist for years. Every time he is given a job, he does that job well, period. Can he be over the top? Yes. Is he supposed to be? Yes. It's television, you have to be entertaining. He violated no journalistic codes or guidelines by doing his job, and people suggesting he did know nothing about journalism.

THEY DIDNT BASH THE RAIDERS THEY BASHED AND CRITISIZED DHB and did it right before they interviewed him!!!

[Raiderfunk]

They crossed every line that could be crossed. I mean I was expecting them to make out with dude's mom before the interview....I guess professionalism be damned when we're talking about the Raiders...then the bitch at the end was talking about have a safe trip to Oakland? Well damn...maybe they should have not only made out with her mom but put her on the Ho stroll and P on her......

I was sitting there in shock when I saw this the other day. But the kid kept his composure and did the interview.

[Raiderfunk]

It's not that it was unprofessional. It was just rude (weaselly laughing while showing his clips/interviewing him)

yeah...I wasn't really tripping that bad until you hear them giggling like lil girls keeping a secret while the woman is asking him questions...I'm like come the fuck on...are you serious?

I don't mind journalists knocking us or giving an honest assessment...but call it straight down the middle...don't blow us up then massage the patriots testicles on their reaches. Just like Eisen told Mayock..come on..if that was the raiders youd be ripping that pick apart...and then he was like..yeah you're right...I had the guy ranked as a 4th or 5th round pick....

[BigPrimo]

"have a safe trip to oakland, you know they kill cops there Darius" I just said what she wanted too.

[trojan56]

wow no class what so ever there Chris Carter or ESPN for that matter. What a way do to do it. Trash him them bring him in on an interview! surely he didnt hear that before going on, id tell them to stick it in there asses!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

THEY DIDNT BASH THE RAIDERS THEY BASHED AND CRITISIZED DHB and did it right before they interviewed him!!!

Chris Carter criticized THE PICK of DHB. In order to do that, you have to criticize the player. If you can't do that, how can you explain why the pick was bad?

"They" didn't bash him, Chris Carter did. Suzy Kolber did the interview, not Chris Carter.

[Tió Nook Nook]

blah blah blah. this argument is tired.
who gives a shit what some talking heads say about a player?

[JRaider17]

Its over...all we can hope for is DHB saw that and uses it has motivation. PROVE THEM WRONG!

[Raiderfunk]

Its over...all we can hope for is DHB saw that and uses it has motivation. PROVE THEM WRONG!

It's never over got damnit! Did the Russians say it was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!?!

Damn...I fucked that all up...but...well I'm laughing... :?

[JRaider17]

It's never over got damnit! Did the Russians say it was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!?!

Damn...I fucked that all up...but...well I'm laughing... :?

Yeah its over besides the fact that we drafted DHB and this ESPN shit was already aired...like days ago. But not over.....lol

[BigPrimo]

It's never over got damnit! Did the Russians say it was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!?!

Damn...I fucked that all up...but...well I'm laughing... :?

John Be3lushi is turning over in his grave as we speak. :?

[Raiderfunk]

John Be3lushi is turning over in his grave as we speak. :?

lol...I watched animal house the other day with my nephew....he laughed his butt off....that movie is timeless....

[Doyers y Esleigher]

The fan code of conduct was unenforceable in LA. Any time security came to the stands, it was up to the fans to let them in. If they didn't, they better get enough cops to make people move. They kick people out in Oakland for some of the dumbest things.

[Raiderfunk]

The fan code of conduct was unenforceable in LA. Any time security came to the stands, it was up to the fans to let them in. If they didn't, they better get enough cops to make people move. They kick people out in Oakland for some of the dumbest things.

no...this new one is nuts...they can kick you out for yucking it up to much with opposing fans....

[Boom]

just more motivation. He didn't look to happy to talk to them or when Kolber said he was kind of a "surprise" pick like no one knew who he was. I would not have talked to those pricks.


Seriously, that is darn right cruel to trash a rookie who has talent to go in the 1st because he A) went to the Raiders and B) Gone early than expected

usually I'm used to ESPn and other hating on the Raiders...but sh!t they straight were down right UNPROFESSIONAL and cruel there.

I hope DHB shows everyone wrong who doubts him

I hear you Yay! These fuckers aren't playing anymore and have nothing better to do, they get paid to talk shit basically.. I don't like espn, but I do like the NFL network. They are better by far and a lot more professional. If you like clowns, then espn is for you

[Boom]

Let's be clear, ESPN televises the draft, they promote it, and they push Kiper and his sidekick Mcshay. It's in their interest to have you believe they know what they are talking about. They employ Carter and Jackson. These were the same experts that said Vince Young and Matt Leinert were sure fire superstars. I can't tell you how sick I am of this draft bashing bullshit! We took who we took. DHB was a first rounder on both Mcshay and Kiper's board, he just went ahead of Crabtree. Who now has already had surgery. They last thing I want is an injury prone reciever who doesn't even want to be in Oakland. He made a big catch against Texas in '08 but dropped the game winner against Oklahoma State in '07. I'm moving on. Jackson hates the Raiders because we owned his ass all through the 70's and 80's and that's a fact. I suppose Carter thinks the Eagles got real draft value out of him when the picked him. Nobody even remembers him being on that squad.

Well said!

[iceman4444]

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they trash him, then bring him on...I just saw this so I figured I'd post it.

Jackson and Carter...c'mon. It was a reach but sh!t

If they trashed him and didn't bring him on you'd cry because they didn't; some are so biased that no one can tell the truth.

Bey is brutal; I've seen him play 5 games in 2 years and he's a fast guy playing football.

Instead of drafting the best WR and possibly the best player in the draft, the RAiders get a player that wasn't even the best WR in the pathetic ACC.

The NFL combines strike again.

[Big O Dick]

If they trashed him and didn't bring him on you'd cry because they didn't; some are so biased that no one can tell the truth.

Bey is brutal; I've seen him play 5 games in 2 years and he's a fast guy playing football.

Instead of drafting the best WR and possibly the best player in the draft, the RAiders get a player that wasn't even the best WR in the pathetic ACC.

The NFL combines strike again.

Thats the Raiders scouting process...nothing else. :cuss:

All we can do as faithful Raider fans is HOPE...the history is proof Al cant draft, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while....hes gotta find a nut one of these years! :huh:

[Doyers y Esleigher]

All I hear is *thwp thwp*

Wah.

[yayarea_raider]

If they trashed him and didn't bring him on you'd cry because they didn't

? Look at what you just wrote. That makes no sense and there was no and will be no crying. This thread has been dead, why keep bringing it back? Seriously

[Doyers y Esleigher]

So was I wrong?

DHB can't catch a fucking thing. Period. Carter was dead on.

[Lil Joker]

Bey's pretty good in madden...he actually catches the ball...

[Tre 6 Months]

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they trash him, then bring him on...I just saw this so I figured I'd post it.

Jackson and Carter...c'mon. It was a reach but sh!t

I thought this was the funniest shit I had even seen when I first saw this live. LOL

[Tre 6 Months]

He can't catch da ballllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol

[Lil Joker]

I thought this was the funniest shit I had even seen when I first saw this live. LOL

Bey looks fucking pissed lol:laugh:

[Tre 6 Months]

I don't give a flying fuck how they treated this kid. I don't know him, he ain't my boy. I hated this kid from the start. I never ever wanted us to draft him, but as soon as I seen him run his 40 time at the combine I knew he'd be a Raider for sure. When we picked him, I punched 3 holes in my wall & kicked the arm off my couch. This is one of the worst draft picks ever! DHB will NEVER EVER be a good WR in the NFL. DHB is a poor man's Troy Williamson. How sad is that? lol

[cheapshotartist]

I don't give a flying fuck how they treated this kid. I don't know him, he ain't my boy. I hated this kid from the start. I never ever wanted us to draft him, but as soon as I seen him run his 40 time at the combine I knew he'd be a Raider for sure. When we picked him, I punched 3 holes in my wall & kicked the arm off my couch. This is one of the worst draft picks ever! DHB will NEVER EVER be a good WR in the NFL. DHB is a poor man's Troy Williamson. How sad is that? lol

That's what I'm saying R666 only a complete moron would have drafted this stiff with Crabtree, Macklin, Harvin and Nicks still on the board. DHB is just another stiff like Russell he just has a better attitude. We always hate on the players Al picks why not hate on the clown doing the picking?
:csa:

[Big O Dick]

That's what I'm saying R666 only a complete moron would have drafted this stiff with Crabtree, Macklin, Harvin and Nicks still on the board. DHB is just another stiff like Russell he just has a better attitude. We always hate on the players Al picks why not hate on the clown doing the picking?
:csa:

I know Al gets plenty of my hate. I'm glad I wasn't able to see him draft Jano cuz someone might have died that day.

Now the great Stephan Janokirksey will be the highest paid kicker in the history of the NFL..he is a great kickah, get ovah it!

Only in Raiderland.

[mickyd]

Hopefully DHB is practicing with the Jugs machine as we speak.

[Tre 6 Months]

That's what I'm saying R666 only a complete moron would have drafted this stiff with Crabtree, Macklin, Harvin and Nicks still on the board. DHB is just another stiff like Russell he just has a better attitude. We always hate on the players Al picks why not hate on the clown doing the picking?
:csa:

Oh I do CSA. I hate Al Davis with a passion. I understand these kids can't control who picks them & where. But when we do pick them & they play for us, & they have the attitude & work ethic of a JaMarcus Russell then I start hating on the player as well as the owner.

[Lil Joker]

I know Al gets plenty of my hate. I'm glad I wasn't able to see him draft Jano cuz someone might have died that day.

Now the great Stephan Janokirksey will be the highest paid kicker in the history of the NFL..he is a great kickah, get ovah it!

Only in Raiderland.

And our beastly punter...Shane Lechlah. This was al's plan 10 years ago when he drafted Janikowski and lechler in the same draft.

[Demon]

LOL I dont ever blame DHB for getting picked by Uncle AL in the First round. Just like I dont blame DHB for starting most of our games. Just like i dont blame the gun for when someone shoots the wrong person. I always say 3 years on any WR. Most of them ride the bench the first year or see maybe 2 plays a game. There is a reason for it. DHB cant catch .. He can be taught that. Just like Uncle AL cant pick in the draft. He cant be taught that though. I still think DHB can become a good WR. Most likley though, it will be with another team. Brad got DHB to catch the ball. I still think it had alot to do with JaMeatloaf and his passing. ESPN guys though have no class and to will talk shit about a guy right before they interview him is just to be Dicks .Carter.. really this Urkal looking moron had a big mouth on the field and ooh big suprise he has a big mouth off. I listen to ESPN the same way I listen to the Fox network. With some popcorn and a beer because its usualy all entertainment and hardly news.

[cheapshotartist]

Oh I do CSA. I hate Al Davis with a passion. I understand these kids can't control who picks them & where. But when we do pick them & they play for us, & they have the attitude & work ethic of a JaMarcus Russell then I start hating on the player as well as the owner.

I can't blame you or any other fan for hating this motherfucker. He is one of a kind.:pissed::csa:

[raidergator]

Don't get me started on ESPN ( LOL) I wouldn't even watch that network except for the fact the fuckers televise games..I would personally like to get about a 50 yard head start rush on those fucks with a claw hammer! Chris Mortenson..Tom Jackson..Chris Carter & Mark Schlereth would be sporting alot of bruises and dents in their fucking heads! I saw the DHB interview and those clowns loved every fucking moment of it..Unfortunately they had the last laugh because DHB did indeed have cement mits..but thats besides the point..they were fucking classless..unprofessional and deserve a severe beat down for the total lack of respect..DHB I would hope will get his shit together in the offseason and prove these fuckers wrong..I for one would not sit and take it like a total bitch.. I would Live for the day I could get payback on those cock polishers!

[Big Game Geoff]

So was I wrong?

DHB can't catch a fucking thing. Period. Carter was dead on.


What the fuck is your point? No one that I know wanted DHB.

Carter was right, so fucking what. Chris was classless in April and he's still classless now.

Really though, Hill. Who pats themselves on the back for gravy-training some ESPN analyst? LMAO...

[Doyers y Esleigher]

You never provided a sufficient counter-argument to any of my points.

Bottom line...

1. Carter was doing his job as an analyst. The pick was awful, so why call the pick anything but awful? DHB can't catch the football. You're acting like he attacked the kid personally when all he did was talk about his lack of football skill. It's what you're supposed to do when you're an analyst.

2. Carter has no say in who is about to be interviewed, and basing your commentary on such a thing is not objective journalism.

3. Suzy Kolber was conducting the interview. It is the job of producers to keep Carter and Jackson's mics off. Blame them. If the rest of us were at home screaming about how dumb it was, how would you expect them not to react when they think their mics are off?

[BigPrimo]

I hate it that Carter was right. It makes teh pick even that more disgusting!!! I'll eat some crow I was one who thought Carter was wrong about how he came across, not with really what he was trying to say. But Right now I feel Carter may have even been too nice.

[Big Game Geoff]

You never provided a sufficient counter-argument to any of my points.

Bottom line...

1. Carter was doing his job as an analyst. The pick was awful, so why call the pick anything but awful? DHB can't catch the football. You're acting like he attacked the kid personally when all he did was talk about his lack of football skill. It's what you're supposed to do when you're an analyst.

2. Carter has no say in who is about to be interviewed, and basing your commentary on such a thing is not objective journalism.

3. Suzy Kolber was conducting the interview. It is the job of producers to keep Carter and Jackson's mics off. Blame them. If the rest of us were at home screaming about how dumb it was, how would you expect them not to react when they think their mics are off?


The whole football universe (with the exception of Al) agreed that the pick was disgusting. Once again, I don't disagree with what Carter said. It was the way he said it. I'm not going to blame Kolber or anyone else at ESPN. Carter knew he was live. Carter could have just said "Bey had a problem catching balls at Maryland and I don't see it changing in the NFL", or something like that. Instead, he totally clowned him...

[raidergator]

Wasn't Chris Carter a known alcoholic..coke head in his playing days? fucker thinks he's an elite all time great? So when he chooses to talk shit and clown it only proves to me he is a douchebag..Tom Jackson can't get over the Raiders dominating his ass in his playing days..so his Axe grinding is notorious along with Mark Schlereth's.. who by the way played for a Denver Bronco squad that was notorious for having dirty fucking linemen & performing illegal chop blocking and getting away with it. I believe the only credentials you need to be an ESPN ANALYST are that you go to have a larger than life EGO and bullshitting degree in Raider bashing..Yeah the Raider fans all agree our franchise is fucked but these Hack comedians just relish twisting the knife with every fucking word that comes from their stinkin SEWER HOLES..I just bide the time when the Raiders finally do get their shit together ( DONT LAUGH HERE LOL) and start winning ..Everyone of those ass bags will be probably be wanting to jump on the bandwagon..and I hope to be there along with all of you kicking them square in the chops and telling them to "Back da fuck up! "

[Doyers y Esleigher]

The whole football universe (with the exception of Al) agreed that the pick was disgusting. Once again, I don't disagree with what Carter said. It was the way he said it. I'm not going to blame Kolber or anyone else at ESPN. Carter knew he was live. Carter could have just said "Bey had a problem catching balls at Maryland and I don't see it changing in the NFL", or something like that. Instead, he totally clowned him...

He clowned the PICK. What did he say that was personally offensive to DHB?

It wasn't just a bad pick, it was a downright awful pick, and indicative of the Raiders' inability to draft over a chillingly long period of time. Some teams get away with a few misses but we have way more than that.

[Demon]

He clowned the PICK. What did he say that was personally offensive to DHB?

It wasn't just a bad pick, it was a downright awful pick, and indicative of the Raiders' inability to draft over a chillingly long period of time. Some teams get away with a few misses but we have way more than that.

You dont laugh and talk bad about a guy right before you put him in the air to ask him how he feels. You can say you dont understand the pick or even that you feel it was a bad pick. But don't clown on a guy who had no real say on who or when he would get picked and for what reason. It shows no class as a analyst and it shows no integrity as a person. If you are in position to speak your mind to millions of people, It doesnt mean you should literaly speak your mind as you think about it. Especialy when its a personel afront to someone you only know by watching a game film. Carter is a douche . I give DHB the clap on the back for not telling Carter to blow him .

[BADNESS]

Chris Carter for as much as i can't stand him, kept it real.It shouldn't be a surprise to any Raider fan that ESPN is "Raider-Hater" central.Bloated Berman,Horseface Jackson.Their all against the Raiders, but truth is truth.When you could've had Harvin or Crabtree, and you take DHBadhands...You deserve to be laughed at, and DHB should've said something about it, or is he waiting for 1220 to defend him.

Our team, when it gets infront of cameras, acts like lil punks, and you'll be treated as such if you don't defend yourself.These players can't expect us to stand-up for their ass all the time.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

You dont laugh and talk bad about a guy right before you put him in the air to ask him how he feels. You can say you dont understand the pick or even that you feel it was a bad pick. But don't clown on a guy who had no real say on who or when he would get picked and for what reason. It shows no class as a analyst and it shows no integrity as a person. If you are in position to speak your mind to millions of people, It doesnt mean you should literaly speak your mind as you think about it. Especialy when its a personel afront to someone you only know by watching a game film. Carter is a douche . I give DHB the clap on the back for not telling Carter to blow him .

Two things...

1. DHB never heard Cris Carter's comments. That's not how media row works at the draft. When a guy is drafted, he's essentially taken through a gauntlet of interviews. They put him in front of the camera, stick the mic on him and say "GO." Also notice that Carter does not actually conduct the interview, Suzy Kolber does, because it is her job to do that and his job to analyze.

2. Carter had no idea DHB was going to be on the show because, once again, that's not how live TV works. Kolber gets word in her earpiece that DHB is coming on, says "we have DHB" and the cameras cut to him. She asks all the questions and then he's off to the next interview.

[RDRCHUY]

Fuck Christine Carter, he's a fucken joke. He sit's and talks shit about any player or team he has an ax to grind with. No analytical views at all, he just sits back there bouncing on his chair and tyring to crack one joke after another. So fuck him!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Demon]

Two things...

1. DHB never heard Cris Carter's comments. That's not how media row works at the draft. When a guy is drafted, he's essentially taken through a gauntlet of interviews. They put him in front of the camera, stick the mic on him and say "GO." Also notice that Carter does not actually conduct the interview, Suzy Kolber does, because it is her job to do that and his job to analyze.

2. Carter had no idea DHB was going to be on the show because, once again, that's not how live TV works. Kolber gets word in her earpiece that DHB is coming on, says "we have DHB" and the cameras cut to him. She asks all the questions and then he's off to the next interview.

I was not insinuating that DHB actualy heard what Carter said at that moment. Im sorry i didnt make that point clear. I meant that DHB never made a reply when he actualy watched the very short interview by Suzy. As for him analyzing. Again you dont throw that Analitical opinion out there for everyone to here in the manner he did. Especialy once again you are cutting live to talking to the very person you are suppose to be discussing. It is tasteless. But we are talking about ESBN and Chirs Carter the lesser talented Dion Sanders but with the same big mouth. I again apologize for not being more clear on how the actual interview was percieved. I know how they do live interviews. thanks for the info though. Laters

[Doyers y Esleigher]

If an Oakland columnist went on that rant, you would all be cheering. Carter works for ESPN so he's just got an ax to grind. What the fuck ax does Cris Carter have to grind with the Raiders?

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I was not insinuating that DHB actualy heard what Carter said at that moment. Im sorry i didnt make that point clear. I meant that DHB never made a reply when he actualy watched the very short interview by Suzy. As for him analyzing. Again you dont throw that Analitical opinion out there for everyone to here in the manner he did. Especialy once again you are cutting live to talking to the very person you are suppose to be discussing. It is tasteless. But we are talking about ESBN and Chirs Carter the lesser talented Dion Sanders but with the same big mouth. I again apologize for not being more clear on how the actual interview was percieved. I know how they do live interviews. thanks for the info though. Laters

People do this on the news, sports shows, and just about every opinion-based medium on a daily basis.

[BigPrimo]

If an Oakland columnist went on that rant, you would all be cheering. Carter works for ESPN so he's just got an ax to grind. What the fuck ax does Cris Carter have to grind with the Raiders?

I agree with this. The pick was bad period. I thought Carter at the time was being a meanie pants but now looking back at it Chris was dead on!!!


"HE CANT CATCH THE BALL"

[Demon]

If an Oakland columnist went on that rant, you would all be cheering. Carter works for ESPN so he's just got an ax to grind. What the fuck ax does Cris Carter have to grind with the Raiders?

People do this on the news, sports shows, and just about every opinion-based medium on a daily basis.

I would never cheer when someone acts like this on national TV. Even when I agree with them. Which happens to be in this case with Chris Carter. I completely agree with everything he said. It all has to do with when and how he said it that makes him a douche . Also just because alot of these morons do it doesn't make it OK .

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Then you're going to have to point out to me what Carter said that was unprofessional, and how he acted out of turn. Why sugar coat DHB being a shitty football player when he's a shitty football player? I see nothing in Carter's rant that doesn't relate directly to his issues on the field.

I'm trying to make you guys realize that if we put a muzzle on this kind of journalism, we'd do it for all teams, and then you'd just accuse the sports media of not being critical enough.

[Big Game Geoff]

If an Oakland columnist went on that rant, you would all be cheering. Carter works for ESPN so he's just got an ax to grind. What the fuck ax does Cris Carter have to grind with the Raiders?

Oh, really? We would all be cheering? I never said Carter had an axe to grind with us, he's just an embarrassment to sports television. Never liked the douche as a tv personality...

[Demon]

Oh, really? We would all be cheering? I never said Carter had an axe to grind with us, he's just an embarrassment to sports television. Never liked the douche as a tv personality...

Exactly. Laughing out loud and throwing his opinion of DHB out there like it was some big joke on DHB . If I have to explain it further it would be pointless and lost on you then. Maybe you are a person who says whatever he likes and thinks its ok. I have no Idea. Not throwing a insult out . Just I really can explain it any further if you dont understand what I am saying.

[Nemesys]

Bey's pretty good in madden...he actually catches the ball...

yeah, but can he do this in Madden?


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[Demon]

yeah, but can he do this in Madden?


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I forgot abouty that one. I would have benched myself after that show lmao.

[raidergator]

There is no class at ESPN PERIOD..Half the time while I'm watching games I have to hit the fucking mute button..especially when Carter..Jackson..and Keyshawn are flapping their gums and talking shit..Yes they are so called TV Journalists and have a job to do..Yes Carter was right in his assessment that DHB couldn't catch..we can rehash this shit over and over..go back and forth but the fact is ESPN has become Reality TV Jerry Springer fiasco.. they have low standards in sports journalism and Carter and his cronies continuosly show it. There is a double standard when it comes to the Raiders and their fans..ESPN is busy sucking the dicks of media darlings such as Brady..Billicheck..Manning.. so called model franchises.. the Patriots..Broncos..etc etc..
Al Davis has fucked this franchise up top to bottom..its a top Sporting News generator..it sells their magazines and gives them ratings. They will continue bashing on the Raiders so fuckum. What I'm biding my time on, and pinning my hopes on is the time the Raiders are winning again consistantly..hopefully winning Super Bowls..then the Media will be all over the Raiders Jocks wanting to bob up and down and polish our knobs..Then I hope we are all able to shout a collective FUCK YOU and kick them all in the teeth!

[TAPE]

yeah, but can he do this in Madden?


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God damn, that boy is fast tho

[RDRCHUY]

I'll have to come back to this video anytime I need a good laugh.
carter might have been right, I guess he can't stop being an arsehole no matter what the circumstances are.
So here's to you carter :bigfinger:

[DED]

lol

[Doyers y Esleigher]

There is no class at ESPN PERIOD..Half the time while I'm watching games I have to hit the fucking mute button..especially when Carter..Jackson..and Keyshawn are flapping their gums and talking shit..Yes they are so called TV Journalists and have a job to do..Yes Carter was right in his assessment that DHB couldn't catch..we can rehash this shit over and over..go back and forth but the fact is ESPN has become Reality TV Jerry Springer fiasco.. they have low standards in sports journalism and Carter and his cronies continuosly show it. There is a double standard when it comes to the Raiders and their fans..ESPN is busy sucking the dicks of media darlings such as Brady..Billicheck..Manning.. so called model franchises.. the Patriots..Broncos..etc etc..
Al Davis has fucked this franchise up top to bottom..its a top Sporting News generator..it sells their magazines and gives them ratings. They will continue bashing on the Raiders so fuckum. What I'm biding my time on, and pinning my hopes on is the time the Raiders are winning again consistantly..hopefully winning Super Bowls..then the Media will be all over the Raiders Jocks wanting to bob up and down and polish our knobs..Then I hope we are all able to shout a collective FUCK YOU and kick them all in the teeth!

I don't like ESPN, but you're mad at them calling model franchises model franchises?

[raidergator]

I don't like ESPN, but you're mad at them calling model franchises model franchises?


Im mad because there is a double standard..I understand that the Raiders being a Model franchise is laughable, I understand thatevery team has dysfunction but yet they fucking relish twisting the knife when it comes to the Raiders..yes I suppose they are justified calling teams like the Patriots a Model franchise because of playoff victories and SuperBowl wins..yeah.. maybe im jealous of that..the Broncos being called a Model franchise when they haven't won a fucking Super Bowl in 12 years is laughable..Their love for the Chargers when they play in a weak AFC West and always manage to dissappoint in January.
ESPN bothers me because 1 they seldom get the facts straight.. there is no objectivity, they are quick with inuendo, or digging up dirt that I actually could give a shit about. ESPN rolling out Tom Cable's teary eyed ex's was such an Oprah moment in my opinon..They love on the players who in their eyes can do no wrong and totally trash and demolish the players who struggle, or are on Shitty teams.
Jay Cutler struggles in Chicago was widely considered a bad offense and that he had no weapons..they sugar coated it and continue calling him a future Hall of Famer..rediculous statements and things similar grate my fucking nerves. Jay Cutler hasn't proven SHIT!
The other thing that bothers me are the analysts such as Chris Carter..Tom Jackson, Mark Schlereth and Chris Mortenson have such huge axes to grind when it does come to the Raiders.. I understand that the Raiders are fucked up, and that AL has clearly lost control of everything. Al Davis gives them all the much needed material and fodder for their amusement. Al Davis has totally turned our franchise into a national punchline and it pisses me off !
Whenever the Raiders get any air time on that Network, there is always a Smirk..Schwarmy..smart ass thing that is said..Its like they work on Comedy routines..working on Rodney Dangerfield one liners instead of being objective and reporting fairly in my opinion..Do they bash on the Lions..Bucs..Rams.. Bills.. or Browns full time like they do with the Raiders? Not even close. I understand that this is something I have to live with until the Raiders gets their shit together and start winning consistantly..Iam tired of the Raider fans being portrayed as dressed up pirates..face painted thugs who don't understand football or how their team is supposed to operate. Al Davis is to blame for this, he is too old, out of touch, too stubborn and set in his ways to even realize it ! Al is the Raiders own worse enemy and ESPN totally runs with it! ESPN in my opinion has just become another Tabloid trash outlet that I have to put on Mute half the time because all I want to do is watch the game, and not have to listen to the unrelated bullshit that is associated with it. Personally I could really care less who TOM BRADY IMPREGNATED or what Super Model he is boning.. I don't care about Brett Favre throwing footballs with HighSchool football players before he commits to another year to the Pros..His retirment plans etc. I don't need to know Tiger Woods tastes in Women, or how many Bong Hits Micael Phelps can take underwater..but anway Mr Hill thats my take on things.. Am I long winded ? YES IAM LOL ..but the reason I come back here to the ROC is because Iam heard..Thank you for your support LOL.

[OakTownRaiderBob]

:clap::clap::clap:Im mad because there is a double standard..I understand that the Raiders being a Model franchise is laughable, I understand thatevery team has dysfunction but yet they fucking relish twisting the knife when it comes to the Raiders..yes I suppose they are justified calling teams like the Patriots a Model franchise because of playoff victories and SuperBowl wins..yeah.. maybe im jealous of that..the Broncos being called a Model franchise when they haven't won a fucking Super Bowl in 12 years is laughable..Their love for the Chargers when they play in a weak AFC West and always manage to dissappoint in January.
ESPN bothers me because 1 they seldom get the facts straight.. there is no objectivity, they are quick with inuendo, or digging up dirt that I actually could give a shit about. ESPN rolling out Tom Cable's teary eyed ex's was such an Oprah moment in my opinon..They love on the players who in their eyes can do no wrong and totally trash and demolish the players who struggle, or are on Shitty teams.
Jay Cutler struggles in Chicago was widely considered a bad offense and that he had no weapons..they sugar coated it and continue calling him a future Hall of Famer..rediculous statements and things similar grate my fucking nerves. Jay Cutler hasn't proven SHIT!
The other thing that bothers me are the analysts such as Chris Carter..Tom Jackson, Mark Schlereth and Chris Mortenson have such huge axes to grind when it does come to the Raiders.. I understand that the Raiders are fucked up, and that AL has clearly lost control of everything. Al Davis gives them all the much needed material and fodder for their amusement. Al Davis has totally turned our franchise into a national punchline and it pisses me off !
Whenever the Raiders get any air time on that Network, there is always a Smirk..Schwarmy..smart ass thing that is said..Its like they work on Comedy routines..working on Rodney Dangerfield one liners instead of being objective and reporting fairly in my opinion..Do they bash on the Lions..Bucs..Rams.. Bills.. or Browns full time like they do with the Raiders? Not even close. I understand that this is something I have to live with until the Raiders gets their shit together and start winning consistantly..Iam tired of the Raider fans being portrayed as dressed up pirates..face painted thugs who don't understand football or how their team is supposed to operate. Al Davis is to blame for this, he is too old, out of touch, too stubborn and set in his ways to even realize it ! Al is the Raiders own worse enemy and ESPN totally runs with it! ESPN in my opinion has just become another Tabloid trash outlet that I have to put on Mute half the time because all I want to do is watch the game, and not have to listen to the unrelated bullshit that is associated with it. Personally I could really care less who TOM BRADY IMPREGNATED or what Super Model he is boning.. I don't care about Brett Favre throwing footballs with HighSchool football players before he commits to another year to the Pros..His retirment plans etc. I don't need to know Tiger Woods tastes in Women, or how many Bong Hits Micael Phelps can take underwater..but anway Mr Hill thats my take on things.. Am I long winded ? YES IAM LOL ..but the reason I come back here to the ROC is because Iam heard..Thank you for your support LOL.
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::

[BigPrimo]

ESPN HAS A DOUBLE STANDARD BECAUSE al ON A YEARLY BASIS CONTINUES TO FUCK SHIT UP?

Maybe if Al Davis pulled his head out of his ass, we wouldn't get talked about the way we do. You do realize that if Al Davis drafts one of the football players in last years draft instead of the guy who can only run fast then guess what Chris Carter and ESPN would have been praising us saying we got one of the better football players in the draft.

Sorry but no matter how you cut it DHB SUCKS and deserves every bit of criticism he getsgot, hind sight or not!!!

[Big O Dick]

Get ovah it!

[raidergator]

Yeah DHB has been proven to have CEMENT MITTS.. Chris Carters analysis was dead on..GODS GIFT TO RECEIVING WAS PROVEN RIGHT ON SOMETHING..IMPRESSIVE..but to totally trash the kid before he even took the field and totally turn that draft segment into a NIGHT AT THE IMPROV was totally classless..guttless in my opinion..Here they were laughing and riddiculing, while the kid was on stand by for an interview..it totally pissed me off..I guarantee you had it been any other team than the Raiders picking him, they still may have said that he can't catch and its a questionaable pick..but they would not embelish and play it up the way that it was..FACT.. Had it been a glory team..( wink wink) Model franchise picking Bey they would have lamented over and over about it that it was a wise move on that teams part to add depth or build for the future..
Yes I was dissappointed in Bey's performance he underachieved big time..Louis Murphey shows alot more promise..but I will give Bey a pass until I see what he does next season..Al will still fuck up the draft this season..I can almost give it as a foregone conclusion..However this year..I will not watch ESPN's draft coverage, or if I do I will mute the fuckers while they scrutinize it and then get my opinions later either from you guys here on the ROC or I will read about it in a draft magazine to draw my own conclusions..either way Iam fucking sick of the ESPN crew and what their so called leader in sports moniker represents.. If It were me that was disrespected while they were trying to do an interview..I would have tore that joint up! A couple of Boom Mikes would have bashed a couple of skulls in.. or shoved up someones ass! some cameras would have been destroyed, and in all likelyhood I would be rotting in a jail cell next to Plaxico Burress LOL..calling ESPN a World Wide leader in Sports is like comparing Sesamee Street to CNN..a bunch of fucking hacks..and they prove it over and over again!

[RDRCHUY]

cris carter is a joke, get ovah it!

[BigPrimo]

Then DHB should have went out and proved the doubters wrong but he didn't he just did what he always has done, run fast and drop passes!!!

[Raidermaiden]

Then DHB should have went out and proved the doubters wrong but he didn't he just did what he always has done, run fast and drop passes!!!But they say it takes 3 years for a WR to develop, we gave 3 years to JaMarcus why can't we give 3 years to DHB? after all he did have JaMarcus throwing to him all those times, I'm just not ready to throw him under the bus just yet I need to see more. I thought them laughing in that video was wrong he was just a rookie there, I know they were right with their assessment of him but still just classless to laugh at him knowing he was going to be on their show. Maybe they were laughing at Al and not DHB who knows.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

But they say it takes 3 years for a WR to develop, we gave 3 years to JaMarcus why can't we give 3 years to DHB? after all he did have JaMarcus throwing to him all those times, I'm just not ready to throw him under the bus just yet I need to see more. I thought them laughing in that video was wrong he was just a rookie there, I know they were right with their assessment of him but still just classless to laugh at him knowing he was going to be on their show. Maybe they were laughing at Al and not DHB who knows.

They weren't laughing at DHB, they were laughing at the Raiders picking him because it was a JOKE.

DHB can't catch the ball. That's not something that just develops. The mental stuff is what develops.

[Raidermaiden]

They weren't laughing at DHB, they were laughing at the Raiders picking him because it was a JOKE.

DHB can't catch the ball. That's not something that just develops. The mental stuff is what develops.Still.... no class on their part get ovah it.

DHB will be alright if he gets comfortable with that football lives with that ball sleeps with that ball has that ball in his hands at all times he will get it, hell I can even catch a football give me a break it's not that hard to learn.

[BigPrimo]

But they say it takes 3 years for a WR to develop, we gave 3 years to JaMarcus why can't we give 3 years to DHB? after all he did have JaMarcus throwing to him all those times, I'm just not ready to throw him under the bus just yet I need to see more. I thought them laughing in that video was wrong he was just a rookie there, I know they were right with their assessment of him but still just classless to laugh at him knowing he was going to be on their show. Maybe they were laughing at Al and not DHB who knows.

if we are lucky it will take him 3 years. My thoughts are he wont make it. too bad we didnt pick one of the other WR who didnt need 3 years, they cam in right away and contributed.

[Raidermaiden]

if we are lucky it will take him 3 years. My thoughts are he wont make it. too bad we didnt pick one of the other WR who didnt need 3 years, they cam in right away and contributed.you can also say it's to bad that DHB didn't have the great Farve and Peyton throwing passes to DHB he had JaBusto.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Still.... no class on their part get ovah it.

DHB will be alright if he gets comfortable with that football lives with that ball sleeps with that ball has that ball in his hands at all times he will get it, hell I can even catch a football give me a break it's not that hard to learn.

Should I even bother arguing with this? This is one of the 10 dumbest things posted on ROC, ever. You're comparing passes from your family and friends to the rocket fastballs thrown by NFL QB's? Are your friends trying to get the ball past defenders running 4.3 speeds? Can they deliver the ball at 60 to 70 miles per hour? Can you catch those balls while getting hit by professional (or even college... or even high school) level defensive backs? No? Then no, you haven't "learned" to catch a football at the professional level, and you'd probably either drop the pass or run away so it didn't hurt you.

This is why catching the ball is a physical skill, not a mental one. You can do everything right and still drop it because you just can't handle a hard spinning object moving 70 MPH. It's not something that typically improves with time.

[Raidermaiden]

Should I even bother arguing with this? This is one of the 10 dumbest things posted on ROC, ever. You're comparing passes from your family and friends to the rocket fastballs thrown by NFL QB's? Are your friends trying to get the ball past defenders running 4.3 speeds? Can they deliver the ball at 60 to 70 miles per hour? Can you catch those balls while getting hit by professional (or even college... or even high school) level defensive backs? No? Then no, you haven't "learned" to catch a football at the professional level, and you'd probably either drop the pass or run away so it didn't hurt you.

This is why catching the ball is a physical skill, not a mental one. You can do everything right and still drop it because you just can't handle a hard spinning object moving 70 MPH. It's not something that typically improves with time.Maybe, if they paid me that type of money :hidebehind:
Time will tell with DHB, just sayin he deserves the 3 years to develop much like we give everyone three years to develop.

[Big O Dick]

He sucks. His own coach in college said he couldnt catch. RED FLAG!!!!!!

[RDRCHUY]

:?Should I even bother arguing with this? This is one of the 10 dumbest things posted on ROC, ever. You're comparing passes from your family and friends to the rocket fastballs thrown by NFL QB's? Are your friends trying to get the ball past defenders running 4.3 speeds? Can they deliver the ball at 60 to 70 miles per hour? Can you catch those balls while getting hit by professional (or even college... or even high school) level defensive backs? No? Then no, you haven't "learned" to catch a football at the professional level, and you'd probably either drop the pass or run away so it didn't hurt you.

This is why catching the ball is a physical skill, not a mental one. You can do everything right and still drop it because you just can't handle a hard spinning object moving 70 MPH. It's not something that typically improves with time.


You just did, so I guess it is worth arguing.
I watched other carter "commentary" and the guy is a jack-ass. He brought his on-field antics into the studio jumping and dancing. He makes a five yard catch on 3rd and 15 and he does his lil dance :?

[BigPrimo]

you can also say it's to bad that DHB didn't have the great Farve and Peyton throwing passes to DHB he had JaBusto.

no I cant, because when A pass hits you in the hands and you drop it, it doesn't really matter who's throwing the ball.

The kid cant catch and Ive seen those other guys go up and get som epretty horrible balls including some from Manning.

The Int in KC, DHB ran a great route and Grads hit him with a very nice pass. That play alone tells me everything I will ever need to know about DHB. Now if we get lucky and some one is good enough to teach this kid how to catch at this stage then it will be a truly great blessing but the chances of that are very slim!

[Sonny Cheeba]

I still don't think we can call DHB an official bust and throw him in the gutter with Jamarcus though. Bottom line is he was in over his head from the get-go and should have never been starting. I think it's a mental/confidence issue with him and we just need to get him some quick/high percentage passes to build his confidence and get him in the flow, then see what happens. Of course that would require smart gameplanning and utilizing your players properly so it might never happen.....but either way, his career isn't OVAH yet. I hated the pick as much as everyone else but we're stuck with him so get used to it and ovah it!

[cheapshotartist]

Why would a NFL WR need someone to teach him how to catch a football? I'm just saying. :csa:

[Sonny Cheeba]

Why would a NFL WR need someone to teach him how to catch a football? I'm just saying. :csa:
It's not about someone teaching him how to catch the ball IMO I just think he needs to build his confidence and learn the game more. Sidney Rice had 15 catches in 2008 and now he's a probowler, very similar skill set to DHB. He didn't "learn" how to catch the ball over the summer he probably just worked hard and got involved early then starting killing DBs around the league.

Just saying there is still hope for this guy even though I whipped my beer can against the wall when I heard we picked him.

[Demon]

They weren't laughing at DHB, they were laughing at the Raiders picking him because it was a JOKE.

DHB can't catch the ball. That's not something that just develops. The mental stuff is what develops.

Should I even bother arguing with this? This is one of the 10 dumbest things posted on ROC, ever. You're comparing passes from your family and friends to the rocket fastballs thrown by NFL QB's? Are your friends trying to get the ball past defenders running 4.3 speeds? Can they deliver the ball at 60 to 70 miles per hour? Can you catch those balls while getting hit by professional (or even college... or even high school) level defensive backs? No? Then no, you haven't "learned" to catch a football at the professional level, and you'd probably either drop the pass or run away so it didn't hurt you.

This is why catching the ball is a physical skill, not a mental one. You can do everything right and still drop it because you just can't handle a hard spinning object moving 70 MPH. It's not something that typically improves with time.

" DHB can't catch the ball. That's not something that just develops. The mental stuff is what develops. " to " This is why catching the ball is a physical skill, not a mental one. Here it is straight from the Donkeys mouth . This is why half of your " I know everything " posts , I just chalk up as :lame . Make up your mind. Is catching , mental or physical .

OK now here is MHO. Catching can be taught to anyone. With enough time and dedication. Thats why WR in the NFL have 3 years of development. Routes/catching/jumping/timing/learning plays/learning to defend the ball and anything else under the sun that has to do with the WR position. Why in every sport in the WORLD that involves catching a ball, ther is a person teaching guys how to catch. In all professional sports. So saying DHB will never learn how to catch after 1 season in the NFL and 2 years of catching in college is really not very realistic. Again the 3 year development for almost all NFL WR. I dont need to give any examples here . It is very plain and simple football/basketball/baseball common sense that you can teach a guy to catch the ball better period.

On a side note. He had the NFL's worse QB ever throwing him the ball. With our #2 he managed a few really good catches and a TD. Id say that is some development right there.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

" DHB can't catch the ball. That's not something that just develops. The mental stuff is what develops. " to " This is why catching the ball is a physical skill, not a mental one. Here it is straight from the Donkeys mouth . This is why half of your " I know everything " posts , I just chalk up as :lame . Make up your mind. Is catching , mental or physical .

"That's not something that just develops. The mental stuff is what develops."

AND

"That is why catching the ball is a physical skill, not a mental one."

are contradictory... how?

Maybe your inability to read them contradicted your ability to understand them.

OK now here is MHO. Catching can be taught to anyone. With enough time and dedication. Thats why WR in the NFL have 3 years of development. Routes/catching/jumping/timing/learning plays/learning to defend the ball and anything else under the sun that has to do with the WR position. Why in every sport in the WORLD that involves catching a ball, ther is a person teaching guys how to catch. In all professional sports. So saying DHB will never learn how to catch after 1 season in the NFL and 2 years of catching in college is really not very realistic. Again the 3 year development for almost all NFL WR. I dont need to give any examples here . It is very plain and simple football/basketball/baseball common sense that you can teach a guy to catch the ball better period.

On a side note. He had the NFL's worse QB ever throwing him the ball. With our #2 he managed a few really good catches and a TD. Id say that is some development right there.

Catching a small ball with a glove is not the same as catching a football with two hands. Catching a basketball being passed at 30 MPH is not catching a football being passed at 70. And in none of those sports are you being tackled while catching the ball (unless there is a play at the plate and you are blocking it). If someone passed a basketball with the same rotation as a football, everyone in the NBA would have bleeding hands. It's nowhere near the same thing.

DHB stinks. He stunk in college and he stunk in his rookie year. There's no reason to think the guy will turn into a good football player because he has never been one. It's the yayarea logic of "he's a football player so with enough time and development he'll be good." Some guys are just bad at football. DHB is bad at football.

[Don]

but man he shure do run purdy

[Demon]

"That's not something that just develops. The mental stuff is what develops."

AND

"That is why catching the ball is a physical skill, not a mental one."

are contradictory... how?

Maybe your inability to read them contradicted your ability to understand them.



Catching a small ball with a glove is not the same as catching a football with two hands. Catching a basketball being passed at 30 MPH is not catching a football being passed at 70. And in none of those sports are you being tackled while catching the ball (unless there is a play at the plate and you are blocking it). If someone passed a basketball with the same rotation as a football, everyone in the NBA would have bleeding hands. It's nowhere near the same thing.

Completly missed the point of the statement . All have coaches teaching them how to play better and catch and throw better . How the ball is thrown is irrelavent. They are all different sports. But guys like you who over analyze every little aspect of any sport. Only can prove a point by breaking down things into small 1 line facts. The overall fact is once again. Any professional sport has coaches teaching players how to play better. Catching a ball happens to be one of them.

DHB stinks. He stunk in college and he stunk in his rookie year. There's no reason to think the guy will turn into a good football player because he has never been one. It's the yayarea logic of "he's a football player so with enough time and development he'll be good." Some guys are just bad at football. DHB is bad at football.

So devoloping a mental skill to catch a ball that is as you stated a purley physical skill seems to be a rather big contradiction. As for actualy catching a ball. From what you are telling me, I have to assume you have never actualy had to catch a ball while being tackled. You can develop better hands . But the fact that I actualy have to tell you this. Shows me this conversation is over with. Sorry I dont debate common sense. I will sit and wait to see if DHB can overcome his catching problems. He has 2 more years to try. BY NFL standards that is.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Okay, I can't take it anymore, this thread has some of the most retarded statements in the history of ROC, by some of the most retarded posters. Now I have some guy who can't even use a fucking period properly talking shit to me because I have well-thought opinions. This thread deserves a best of. I think I'm going to make it now.

[raidergator]

DHB has lots to prove..I will give him a pass..at least for now..My rant was basically about the fucks at ESPN and their handling of the DHB situation and anything that had to deal with the way they report about the Raiders..From what I saw from the kid from that interview was he was humbled by even being selected 7th let alone having the opportunity to play in the NFL.. He Definitly had that Deer in the headlights look to him..He had an awful rookie season especially with JA-OVERTHROWS sailing passes over his head and at his feet.. Bey continuously looked to the refs to bail him out..I don't believe the kid fully grasped the level of play or the speed of the Pro game..I agree to a point what some of you said in earlier posts about his confidense level..I can accept that.but he better get over those issues quick, because DB's are going to totally school him.. and eat him alive..He has an entire offseason..Mini-Camp and a full training camp regiment to get his shit wired straight..Bottom line he better learn to catch the fucking ball, because WR coaches don't have the time or patience to be coddling him anymore..he has a job to do and got paid some 20 odd Mil to be what is in Al's eyes as Cliff Branch reincarnated..If he starts rolling "G STYLE" with Ja-GANGSTA in the offseason I don't give him a snowballs chance in hell as making it..The Kid better show some work ethic, and hopefully he don't get the " Fuck It I got paid" mentality that Jerry Porter..Randy Moss and Ja-MoneyWad showed. Al has got to stop taking that fucking stop watch to Indy to evaluate players..Bey is a Raider for now so We all have to live with it I suppose..I too wasn't happy with the selection..I wanted Bj Rajii..or Rey Maualuga..but hey ( shrugs) it didn't work out that way.

[Demon]

Okay, I can't take it anymore, this thread has some of the most retarded statements in the history of ROC, by some of the most retarded posters. Now I have some guy who can't even use a fucking period properly talking shit to me because I have well-thought opinions. This thread deserves a best of. I think I'm going to make it now.

Ruh roh shaggy the punctuation police are out in force on the internet. Patroling Chat sites around the nation. Next thing you will see are the Grammar Nazi's using their supreme intellect to bludgeon us into enlightenment with boring rants about how stupid we are.

I really wonder if your mirror gets tired of hearing how smart you are ?

[RDRCHUY]

Okay, I can't take it anymore, this thread has some of the most retarded statements in the history of ROC, by some of the most retarded posters. Now I have some guy who can't even use a fucking period properly talking shit to me because I have well-thought opinions. This thread deserves a best of. I think I'm going to make it now.


And who has the most posts?

[dirt williams]

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